"Change role" vote feature

I'm sure we're all familiar with how quickly a dungeon run can go stale when a tank or healer insta drops once they see they got dropped into a dungeon they didn't want to do.

With dps queues as crazy as they are right now that can Ruin your night fast, my suggestion is this,

Similar to the vote abandon feature, Vote for "role change" I.e I don't mind switching to whm so we can do this is that cool with you guys?

Majority votes yes, the initiator is allowed to switch to a role currently missing from ur party (mind, vit, whatever it is)

Dps takes all of 5 seconds to replace, there "stale runs" would become nothing more then a minor inconvenience for the majority of us, just a thought, first post , ty

As much as this'd be cool, it was possible and heavily abused in 1.#. The hardcore players would often do this to make dungeon runs easier and it quickly became a point of derision if someone didn't have the right class for the next battle. It's great, but it's been abused before and will only result in abuse again.

I think the idea sounds great myself. To the above, maybe if parties were limited to only one "vote role change" per run, there wouldn't be as much chance for abuse, and people would be more selective of how they used it.

Simpler to just have an option in the party window to fill any roles the group is missing for whatever run you are in. Only lights up if you have the proper weapon in you inventory as well as the needed class leveled to that dungeons minimum, also the job crystal in Sch's case. Once you click it it brings up a list of the weapons you have that match that class/job for you to pick from. If you have the job crystal for your chosen class it would automatically be equipped as well. Once someone switches it grays out the option for the rest of the party unless you are missing two DPS or the like. Would be a pain to set up for SE but I find it best to make it as simple as possible for folks in DF. Or you could just register gear sets beforehand so that the game just equips that instead of a complicated inventory search.

Sorry to ramble, thanks for your time ^^

If they want to do something like this, a cap will have to be placed on the amount of times people within that party can use that option.

Easy fix to block abuse.

Yeah this does seem like a good idea and would make runs go a lot smoother. I do admit there's opportunity for abuse, but I do think there are workarounds for that.

I think it should only work to get DPS to Healer/Tank roles, to the Class/Job of their choice until select.

Aka no going back once you switch.

What if you have a job available but you had queued as a role you want to level? For example, I have both WHM and PLD available. I queued as BLM because I want to level it, but the tank or the healer drop because screw you normal Qarn, I could replace either role, but would my experience go towards BLM or am I just making my queue as BLM pointless?

I don't disagree with the idea, it's rather good, but that's the key to some people using that kind of feature.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

The hardcore players would often do this to make dungeon runs easier and it quickly became a point of derision if someone didn't have the right class for the next battle.

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Those hardcore players, now ruining your four person dungeons. Because it's what they do.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Those hardcore players, now ruining your four person dungeons. Because it's what they do.

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Considering she was talking in 1.x past tense...

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Originally Posted by Violyre

Considering she was talking in 1.x past tense...

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...in which people, "hardcore" or otherwise, also didn't kick others from duties in the middle of runs because they didn't have certain jobs. :) Under 17 min dungeons did, of course, require certain setups and certain level of player skill, but those can't be compared to our current 4 person Duty Finder dungeons in any way.

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Originally Posted by Taika

...in which people, "hardcore" or otherwise, also didn't kick others from duties in the middle of runs because they didn't have certain jobs. :) Under 17 min dungeons did, of course, require certain setups and certain level of player skill, but those can't be compared to our current 4 person Duty Finder dungeons in any way.

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With the admittance of never doing a 1.x dungeon, I think the problem with kicking people because they don't have access to something would be worse today. The only addition I can really think of to prevent this that's in place now would be the limit on kicks per duty. Ir's not just the "elite" who would abuse this feature at its current base though. Every player has a breaking point for their impatience. Why keep waiting for a tank when you could just kick a DPS because neither one you have can tank, in hopes of getting one that could?

@violyre / This did occur to me, I couldn't think of any solution other then what you mentioned, I dnt know anything about programming and all that, but could the level sync system do that? Send exp to ur previous job, or is that where the exploit is?

Sounds pretty much pointless. With this it will to often happen that someone joins with a class he wants to level and when they lose a tank or healer the rest of the party wants that he changes class if he can. And with how people are in most of the casses he will probably kicked if he refuses and we know that SE doesn't really care about abuse of the vote kick so it would only bring more problems then it could solve.

Neat idea, but... Yeah someone is going to find a way to abuse it. And, if the tank and/or healer leaves, and one of the DPS can change to a tank or healer, all that DPS has to do is to leave, swap roles, re-join in progress. When you are sitting there a while with no replacements, that will be safe to do.

Also, if the tank or healer that stayed would wait a few more minutes, instead of immediately dropping when the other tank or healer dropped, I don't know how many times we would get a full group again in a few minutes. Nope, tank/healer has fast queues, they get impatient, the tank drops, and a lot of times right afterwards a healer will drop in shortly after. If the tank would have waited, full group ready to roll. But, the healer now sees a group with no tank and just 2 DPS staring at each other, the healer is quick to leave, because they have fast queues. So unless both join within seconds of each other, the tank/healer will constantly keep dropping. Unless, you get the rare person that will ask FC for help, will wait, or like me a DPS that is willing to swap. Yeah, I'd like to level up my NIN in that dungeon, but more than that, I would like to be doing SOMETHING so I don't mind swapping to tank/healer to keep the group moving.

In 1.0 you could change jobs in dungeons and it was VERY abused by a lot of people. Some were "elitist" some were just plain stupid. It put a lot of pressure on peeps to play jobs they didn't like. Blm/Brd being the most used iirc

To people that think job switch in dungeon will be abused: That's because the dungeons were designed in a way that abusing the job switch at certain points would allow you to optimize your party setup and reduce your clear time for bonus chest that drop some of the best gear available. All of that is gone in 2.0 so any comparison by saying that it will be abused again is just silly. The only real abuses that we see so far in DF are jerks who force speed run on newbies, people dropping out b/c they didn't get the dungeon they wanted, and gold farmer doing suspicious things that no one but SE can tell.