Hey, I know I already made a topic about this, but I forgot to attach Dev Tags to it, and I wanted to be sure SE saw it, so I'm making the topic again.
Anyway, Yoshi-P said he had two different ideas for how to implement classic FF jobs in the future:
Yoshi-P's idea #1:
The traditional names would be introduced as “higher” or “advanced” classes, and would thus be something of a goal for players.
Yoshi-P's idea #2:
The traditional names would be more of a subset or specialization within the existing classes.
Personally, I prefer idea #2, as I like the idea of allowing specialization and customization of character abilities.
As for exactly how to implement the subset specialization, I thought it would be really cool if SE used something similar to the License Board from FFXII. Here's a couple images I made with Photoshop of what it could possibly look like:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...haumaturge.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...rdConjurer.png
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03-10-2011, 08:52 AMRhianu[dev1033] <<<Classic FF jobs with an FFXII style License Board>>>
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03-10-2011, 08:55 AMAnathiel
I'm gonna have to go with idea #1. I don't like the idea of being a paladin "within" a gladiator. Paladin (for example) should be a job all to it's self. Now if Paladin were to be the main class, and gladiator a subset within it, I think I could deal with that but only because it's a traditional final fantasy name, with gladiator being the specialization (sword w/ small shield for instance)
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03-10-2011, 08:56 AMCorrderio
I'm not quite shur how I feel about a license baord system. Something similar to the sphere grid system would work better IMO.
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03-10-2011, 08:56 AMGalamantylFor the love of god [size=8]NO![/size]Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhianu
This is such a bad idea! Anything but this! Sphere-grid/license-grid/crap is just a bad idea! Just as bad as FFXII was - which was absolutely AWFUL! -
03-10-2011, 08:57 AMMalakhim
I like both ideas a lot personally, however I agree that option 2 seems like the best "fit" for the armory system. There have been a few posts including yours that have outlined a few ideas for it already, of course I'd like to see how the devs themselves plan to go about it.
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03-10-2011, 08:58 AMBalbanesI think this would be a great idea :D I loved it in 12.Quote:
As for exactly how to implement the subset specialization, I thought it would be really cool if SE used something similar to the License Board from FFXII. Here's a couple images I made with Photoshop of what it could possibly look like:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...haumaturge.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...rdConjurer.png
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03-10-2011, 09:00 AMRhianuSure, something like the Sphere Grid from FFX could work just as well. Personally, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the Sphere Grid and the License Board. They're both essentially the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
Well I rather liked FFXII, thank you very much. But if you don't like the idea, do you think you could give a reasonable explanation as to why, instead of just going "OMG THAT'S SO STUPID"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galamantyl
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03-10-2011, 09:07 AMAkumu
Just like with similar posts I stand behind option 2. Some good ideas i read is once a GLA for example reaches lets say 30 you can do 1 of 2 quests to allow you to be a paladin or darknight. Theres alot more info about this but i don't really want to copy/paste something already in its own thread.
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03-10-2011, 09:18 AMCorrderioMy idea would be the sphere grid would work to rank up magic. Lets make this simple and say you take up BLM. You start in the middle of the grid and you have 7 branches for your elements (Fire, Water, Thunder, Earth, Wind, Ice, and Dark), you can put poitns in Fire then later on upgrade it to Fire II, etc.Quote:
Sure, something like the Sphere Grid from FFX could work just as well. Personally, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the Sphere Grid and the License Board. They're both essentially the same thing.
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03-10-2011, 09:33 AMallenshu
Idea 2 sounds more reasonable based current FFXIV class system. In fact, traditional FF class system doesn't really conflict with FFXIV one, due to the so-obvious reason that FFXIV class system is one with much more customized possibility and flexibility across all FF series. Therefore, it's fairly easy to introduce traditional FF classes into FFXIV.
Take Paladin for example, there can be a class trial quest for obtaining a "Paladin title". The trial can be designed as that players have to use some specific actions (ex. cure2, sacrifice2, cover, aegis boon, and those are reasonable for being a Paladin) on self or a target during battles/stories process. This means players have to get those actions from different basic classes first and then put them together in use in order to be a Paladin. "Paladin title" can be designed as a trait for a substantial existence, and player can obtain bonus like defense up or shield damage cut up when the trait is set. In addition, class-specific gears can only be put on while class-specific trait is on.
In my opinion, I don't really see it's a problem. However, there will really be a "problem" if the current FFXIV class system is changed to match those old-school concepts... -
03-10-2011, 11:43 AMWinterclaw
I liked the sphere grid system from X better. It allowed a little more freedom of movement/development. As for names... I dunno if we really need them. I'm against specialist jobs and sub jobs in general. As a GW player I liked to be able to define my class more by skillset than anything else. When I'm a W/mo I can either be a pure warrior, a warrior with heals, a warrior with protection skills, or a warrior with magical holy attacks. Not that I would do a lot of those things, but there's that flexibility. If I were to be given a paladin class, I'd wind up with a tanker, and tanking sucks.
If people want more uniqueness, then we need a more flexible class system and I don't see that happening if you add the old class names for the point of adding old classes to the game. -
03-10-2011, 12:20 PMMaguru
TBH, both ideas seem really good. However, with regards to the armory system, #2 seems more feasible imo