For example, if maelstrom and flames players are having difficulty playing frontlines because there are not enough twin adder players queuing on the duty finder, then a very visible and substantial bonus should be offered to players of that grand company to incentivise them to participate.
Additionally, players of all grand companies should receive a substantial 1-a-day bonus for playing, just like roulettes for other kinds of content, except it wouldn't be a roulette because there's only one frontlines map. It should include non-pvp-specific bonuses such as allagan tomestones and gil to encourage people who do not usually play PvP to add it to their daily routine alongside roulettes.
These measures would help players who wish to play a lot of PvP matches get into matches with less delay.
Frontlines: Add a GC-in-need bonus?
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11-14-2014, 11:32 AMRufalusFrontlines: Add a GC-in-need bonus?
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11-14-2014, 02:23 PMStouterTaru
They already have a bonus; getting into FL without waiting for an hour or more. I would rather see them drop the whole GC attachment in FL, and sort people based on PvP rank and premade parties, just dumping the first 72 people to queue in.
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11-14-2014, 11:42 PMBlubbers
I think these are great suggestions. The GC-in-need would also give greater transparency as to which GC is holding up the queue and certainly wouldn't hurt the current GC imbalance on same data centers. The 1-day bonus would encourage those who don't do pvp as much to queue, expanding the base of players, making more people aware of frontlines, and overall encouraging the dev team to develop more content.
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11-15-2014, 12:46 AMAtreus
coughorremoveGCrestrictionaltogetherbecauseit'sstupidcough
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11-16-2014, 12:45 PMNalien
I swear, I must be the only person who likes the Grand Company restriction... I enjoy the pseudo roleplaying aspect of fighting for a Company, and glamouring gear to match (still think Elite Hunt gear should be PvP gear and Animal gear should be Hunt gear...), and I enjoy running into the same players over and over. I'd much rather have "Oh Hi again X! Lets kick ass again" and "Oh look, it's that idiot <Job> again", than "Oh Hi... Aren't you that <Healer> I wreaked and teabagged?"...
My main issue with Frontlines, or rather than Grand Company aspect, is that the game has no other rivalry between Grand Companies. It's something which is locked away in an instance, when it could be something similar to Conquest in Final Fantasy XI. If Grand Companies were ranked, in game, on a weekly basis, with first place gaining some bonus, that would be great. Frontlines wouldn't even need to be the only factor in deciding the ranking, but it would add a fairly good reason to do Frontlines outside the existing ones which tend to result in people no longer queuing once they've gotten their mount, for example. -
11-16-2014, 01:18 PMLayth
I wouldn't mind the GC vs GC aspect if it wasn't a three way battle. I would have preferred one against one with the odd GC filling in for missing members on each side, much like how ballista worked in 11.
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11-16-2014, 01:47 PMNalien
I guess they could always add a fourth faction, which is basically just a group of mercenaries that can fill any slot in Frontlines. Leaves the Grand Company aspect in place, but allows people who don't care for it to queue with friends/etc... Though I guess the reason people cannot queue with friends already is because people don't want to leave X Grand Company, so maybe not... Is that mostly down to glamours? They could always let the fourth faction purchase and equip from any Grand Company, but perhaps at an extra cost.
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11-16-2014, 02:26 PMVandrilThe reason most PvPers don't want to leave their GC is because they don't want to regrind their PvP Ranks, as those are tied to GCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
A fourth faction wouldn't help, anyway. That's just silly. The solution is actually simple: get rid of GC queue restrictions and retcon the PvP lore to make it work. -
11-16-2014, 02:47 PMNalienHow so? People who don't care about Grand Companies can join it and fill out needed slots. People who do care about Grand Companies can remain in their Grand Company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandril
Losing PvP rank upon switching is a legitimate issue, one which they should sort out anyway, though it only exists because they opted to have Achievements for ranking up with Grand Companies. A Mercenary Faction wouldn't necessarily need such Achievements, so they could just opt to allow PvP rank to carry over for it. Effectively making it the default faction for PvPers who don't care about Grand Companies. Heck, they could literally just make it an opt-in kind of thing from your existing Grand Company; "Would you like to help other Grand Companies as a Mercenary?", and then you go from being a member of the Maelstrom, to being a Maelstrom Mercenary who can end up helping the Immortal Flames or Twin Adders in Frontlines. -
11-17-2014, 11:23 AMBuff_Archer
I get what you're saying... it sidesteps the issue of disparity between those (masochists) who choose to grind up multiple GC's PVP ranks and those who just want to play without losing the right to all they've worked (and queued for days) for. It's better than the system we have now.
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11-17-2014, 02:54 PMVandrilI think that what I said came across wrong. The idea isn't inherently bad or ineffective, but rather just very inefficient and unnecessarily complicated. Why make all the necessary changes to the lore and game in order to fit in a fourth faction when they could just remove the GC-locked PvP Ranks and rewrite the very short quest that introduces the player to Frontlines? This would solve every aspect of the problem more thoroughly than adding a fourth, "loose end" faction all the while requiring a whole whopping few hours worth of effort on the part of Square Enix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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11-17-2014, 04:22 PMNalienBecause, as I explained here, I like the Grand Company verses Grand Company aspect. If they just made it another case of "Claws verses Fangs" I'd find it infinitely more boring. I really enjoy running into the same allies and same enemies when I do Frontlines, without the Grand Company restriction that falls away completely. Frontlines is pretty much the only piece of content in this game where I can run into the same people from different servers and enjoy the content as though I went in with a full static.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandril
Adding a fourth faction, or a mercenary version of existing factions, still takes away from that slightly, but at least it doesn't completely destroy the atmosphere Frontlines currently offers. Best of both worlds, in my opinion. -
11-18-2014, 04:28 AMVandrilYou make a very good argument. I forgot about that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
In that case, an opt-in "I'm a mercenary, not a solider" option like you described would be a good solution. I don't like the idea of making it an entirely new faction due to the complexity of adding such a thing, but as an option as a member of a Grand Company I can support it. It would require some fine tuning, though. It would be weird to have a toggle-able check box for that. There'd have to be some sort of toggle that is handled outside of a game menu. And maybe some pseudo-lore as to why the Grand Companies would allow their own recruited Adventurers to, essentially, fight against them without repercussion. -
11-19-2014, 04:59 PMSpoekesIf there was a fourth faction to fill any GC slot you can bet everyone will switch to this, for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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11-20-2014, 02:17 AMUltimatecaliburOnly if there is no reason to stay GC loyal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoekes
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11-25-2014, 03:06 AMSethLexYou are part of a very peculiar and quite select (+devs) minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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11-25-2014, 03:36 AMNalienI really doubt I'm in the minority given the number of people I actively see in Frontlines who seem to enjoy the fact that the team they're on is an actual team, rather than something almost purely randomized like Fang/Claws was. I see plenty of people enjoying rivalries with known players on the other team, and plenty of people enjoying bumping into each other game after game.Quote:
Originally Posted by SethLex
The only minority I'm a part of here is the minority that actually posts on the official forums. The majority don't, after all. In fact, the only place I've seen "Remove the GC restriction" is here, I haven't once seen it mentioned in game; people in game seem to be too busy enjoying the rivalry. -
12-02-2014, 08:24 AMSaiyakupo
I don't really like the idea of removing the faction aspect all together, and rewriting the lore for it. The lore to me is a neat story and to ruin it because of some que times is a little bit unnecessary of a huge change.
I think that instead, the pvp ranks shouldn't have to be so hard to re-gain altogether upon switching grand companies. I think something to fix that would be a better incentive to make people want to change to Adder <3
Though I won't complain about a GC in need bonus. Being that it's almost always Adder, I would love it and PVP all the time (even more than I already do) to reap the very overwhelming benefits <3 -
12-02-2014, 09:00 AMStormriderIf they removed the Grand Company aspect I would hope server based teams if possible. Someone with a few matches done I know people enjoy seeing recurring players. Hell if 4 other names are ones i know well I expect us to win encounters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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12-04-2014, 05:47 PMYaltusI definitely like seeing the same faces, and it is always great to see a set of players that I know are strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
More than that, I'd love to see shorter queues, but I'm not sure that lifting the GC restriction is the best way to do that. I'd like to see the DF spawn more 24 and 48 man frontlines.