Tomato Relish 2.4

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11-08-2014, 03:51 PM
StouterTaru

Tomato Relish 2.4

Doing lots of Tomato Relish for Mastercraft Demimateria, figured I'd share my macros. I use HQ vinegar and NQ for the rest, HQ relish. Suckers and/or people with lesser gear can buy my HQ tomatoes.

Dark Vinegar Synth:

Code:

/ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Waste Not" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Steady Hand" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Advanced Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Advanced Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Advanced Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Advanced Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>

Relish#1:

Code:

/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Master's Mend II" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Waste Not" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>

Relish#2:

Code:

/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>

Relish#3 Normal/Poor:

Code:

/micon "Ingenuity II" /ac "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>

Relish#3 Good/Excellent:

Code:

/micon "Byregot's Blessing" /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3> /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>

23 steps, 11 hasty touches, all with SHII up, 383 CP required.

If you land at least 8/11 Hasty Touches (~5/6 chance of doing so) you are almost guaranteed 100% HQ. That remaining 1/6 of the time, you are looking at better than an 80% chance of HQ.
11-10-2014, 06:36 AM
RiceisNice

Them hasty touches though... So much easier and less hair pulling to just do it with HQ tomato+vinegar with 355~ CP; gets you 100% no matter what.
11-11-2014, 12:13 AM
PROBOUND

I also have a Relish Macro but it only requires 2 button presses. Its way better than having to invest in HQ Tomatoes and the difference in time of synth is aprox 15 seconds (i tested it). All in all u can save alot of money by using NQ tomatoes and HQ vineagar.
11-14-2014, 05:46 AM
Grimmel

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROBOUND

I also have a Relish Macro but it only requires 2 button presses. Its way better than having to invest in HQ Tomatoes and the difference in time of synth is aprox 15 seconds (i tested it). All in all u can save alot of money by using NQ tomatoes and HQ vineagar.

Are you a 4 Star or 3 Star Crafter and What does your gear look like? Also what is the macro you use?
11-14-2014, 04:21 PM
Lebenoshl

deleted due to botting concern
11-16-2014, 01:15 PM
Grimmel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lebenoshl

Enjoy

11 Touch Spicy Tomato Relish Macro
750 Quality Start, ~95% HQ Rate with only HQ vinegar

These rotations are both off. You end up with not enough CP to finish either of them with Byregot's Blessing even when I had 395 CP.
11-16-2014, 11:36 PM
dspguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimmel

These rotations are both off. You end up with not enough CP to finish either of them with Byregot's Blessing even when I had 395 CP.

I counted 384 CP. Maybe I need another cup of coffee.
11-16-2014, 11:58 PM
Bikpik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimmel

These rotations are both off. You end up with not enough CP to finish either of them with Byregot's Blessing even when I had 395 CP.

You might want to increase the wait after MMII, for myself, the second comfort zone wouldn't go off with just 2 seconds
11-17-2014, 01:52 AM
Lebenoshl

Quote:

Originally Posted by dspguy

I counted 384 CP. Maybe I need another cup of coffee.

Add 8 CP, the first CZ is clipped.
11-17-2014, 02:00 AM
Levis

Quote:

Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Doing lots of Tomato Relish for Mastercraft Demimateria, figured I'd share my macros. I use HQ vinegar and NQ for the rest, HQ relish. Suckers and/or people with lesser gear can buy my HQ tomatoes.
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You can buy these? thought they cant be traded.
11-17-2014, 02:08 AM
Kaaylryn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levis

You can buy these? thought they cant be traded.

I think he is referring to the HQ Tomatoes, not the Relish which is untradeable.
11-17-2014, 02:20 AM
Levis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaaylryn

I think he is referring to the HQ Tomatoes, not the Relish which is untradeable.

Ah dang lol. Trying to figure out the best method to be able to craft my own relish. Just got all crafts 50, now need to get my cook all melded up.
11-17-2014, 10:49 PM
Yonko

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levis

Ah dang lol. Trying to figure out the best method to be able to craft my own relish. Just got all crafts 50, now need to get my cook all melded up.

There is a 100% macro if you use all HQ mats http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tely-NO-RNG%21
11-18-2014, 12:56 AM
Levis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yonko

There is a 100% macro if you use all HQ mats http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tely-NO-RNG%21

Thanks for that. Do you know of a good guide/forum post that explains which melds to do for which gear?

Need to meet the craft/control/CP requirements first.
11-18-2014, 01:09 AM
Yonko

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levis

Thanks for that. Do you know of a good guide/forum post that explains which melds to do for which gear?

Need to meet the craft/control/CP requirements first.

Your going to want to be fully melded (besides OH) I would start with Control first since it normally costs the most (least on my server)

This site http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/Culinarian can be used to plan your melds (it will show you the % to meld) and can be very useful.
11-18-2014, 01:22 AM
Levis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yonko

Your going to want to be fully melded (besides OH) I would start with Control first since it normally costs the most (least on my server)

This site http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/Culinarian can be used to plan your melds (it will show you the % to meld) and can be very useful.

Thanks I also found this guide http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-ad...ie-tsukino.39/
to go EXTREMELY in depth.
11-21-2014, 01:58 PM
xPeAcEx

So to tell everyone, if you have 394 craftmanship or less, this rotation won't work for you. I don't understand why you would post an ineffective macro that doesn't work (not enough progress to complete in 4 steps). I'll let the op try to fix it and if he doesn't i might consider posting some of of mine that will work for any 2 star crafter. To give you a hint tho, the 4 CS II need to be used under ING II to be able to complete the recipe.

Hint 2: There is a way to work an innovation into the rotation as well to ensure always 100%
11-21-2014, 02:40 PM
StouterTaru

Quote:

Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

So to tell everyone, if you have 394 craftmanship or less, this rotation won't work for you. I don't understand why you would post an ineffective macro that doesn't work (not enough progress to complete in 4 steps). I'll let the op try to fix it and if he doesn't i might consider posting some of of mine that will work for any 2 star crafter. To give you a hint tho, the 4 CS II need to be used under ING II to be able to complete the recipe.

Hint 2: There is a way to work an innovation into the rotation as well to ensure always 100%

It works in 2.4 gear, hence the title of the thread. If you're trying to do it in 2.2 gear (no supra main or artisan offhand) you will fail

#2: you won't hit 100% using a rotation that is all hasty touch

Feel free to post your 2 star crafter rotation, I'm sure it's comparable to the rotations found here
11-23-2014, 01:23 AM
xPeAcEx

My rotation isn't on there but i am sure it is common knowledge. I am wondering tho why you just sniped http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._relish_macro/ without giving proper credit to laststandb, can't really call something "my rotation" when you didn't even bother changing the timers. Yea, you said 2.4 but you're not even doing it to optimize based on 2.4 caps, meaning you're not using BiS; let alone a full cp rotation.
11-23-2014, 01:23 AM
xPeAcEx

So let me explain to you why the macro that you blatantly ripped off and took credit for works the way it does.

CP caps at 398, however we only need 395 in total. Surprisingly, all we need is a Clipped CZ and a full CZ so that we can end the rotation under

/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>

At best you have a lack luster 2.2/2.3 rotation that you don't understand fully and didn't even optimize.

415 cp needed.
11-23-2014, 05:58 AM
Alistaire

Wait, you know he ripped this off because of the "<wait.2>"s? Those...are pretty standard.
11-23-2014, 06:04 AM
Lebenoshl

Yeah I totally ripped them off of laststandb. Whoever he is, he is a great contributor to the community
11-23-2014, 06:59 AM
StouterTaru

Quote:

Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

can't really call something "my rotation" when you didn't even bother changing the timers.

2 second wait after buffs, 3 seconds after touches/synthesis (and I think ToT is 3 sec as well, been a while since I had it in a macro) Those are the shortest wait times you can get without getting an error, I could find a few hundred posts with the same wait times for the same abilities more than 6 months older than you guy's post, doesn't mean the guy you copy blatantly stole them.

I had never seen his rotation before today, mine is one I worked out on my own using the powerful software known as MS Excel 2000. If you give a bunch of people a problem with a very limited set of tools and they work independently, many of the best solutions will come out virtually identical.
12-05-2014, 02:12 PM
Rath

Quote:

Originally Posted by StouterTaru

SNIP

Tried out your macro today and made this change. This works with 436 craft and 392 cp. I found it an obvious change and I suspect is the macro people removed so people cannot use it for botting purposes. It allows for the use of all NQ materials.

Macro 1
/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend II" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Waste Not" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>

Macro 2
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>

Edit: Just remember you need 436 craft in order to finish this synthesis. I was previously using one that allowed me to have 900~ starting quality and get 100% without hasty touch and have changed to this now to use up all my spruce lumber NQ and twinthread. I am curious if this is the one previously posted and then removed though as clipping CZ was mentioned in these posts.
11 HT under SH2 and 1 HT at 50%. The 50% HT is not needed in any way and is just an extra HT that could be fit into the other macro. I am pretty sure you could use NQ mats on the other macro with 80%~ or so success rate anyways, but more is always better.

fixed my mistake causing 3 HT without SH2. Thanks to below for pointing it out.
12-05-2014, 07:29 PM
xPeAcEx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rath

Tried out your macro today and made this change. This works with 4 star stats and 392 cp. I found it an obvious change and I suspect is the macro people removed so people cannot use it for botting purposes. It allows for the use of all NQ materials.

It's late and maybe i am missing something but there is no way to complete progress, even running HQ shark fin soup. 2x CSII under ING 2 is not enough. I'll prob post the rotation after i put myself back on the curb but as a hint, it works with 3 star + new offhand, supra is not required.

EDIT: Also a lot of your Hasty's are under 50% chance :(
12-05-2014, 09:42 PM
Rath

You are missing the standard synthesis before the 2 careful synthesis 2. Also, yes I just noticed 3 HT are at 50%. I have still used it to turn 2 stacks of NQ lumber (from desynthesis) into 171 carp turn ins using NQ horn glue as well. That is 86% using all NQ mats.

Edit: only 1 HT without SH2, 11 with now.
12-06-2014, 11:19 PM
Espritduo

So what's the most efficient 100% rotation using HQ tomatos and no Hasty touches or food? I hate Hasty touch with a passion and gather HQ tomatoes faster than I can be arsed to cook em, so I really don't need rotations like these. I currently am using a 100% HQ 16 step rotation with HQ tomatoes and HQ vinegar, and I'd love to know if there's a way to make it even shorter, although I don't believe there is. Number of steps is the key thing for me. My current relish rotation, using only 335 CP, but 4-star stats (not sure how far below 4-star level this still works):

Inner Quiet
Waste Not
Steady Hand II
Basic Touch x5
Steady Hand II
Basic Touch
Great Strides
Ingenuity II
Byregot's Blessing
Standard Synthesis
Careful Synth x2

This leaves me with 20 CP, which I really wish I could utilize somewhere to cut down on the steps further, but I can't seem to find a way to do it.
12-07-2014, 02:44 PM
xPeAcEx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rath

You are missing the standard synthesis before the 2 careful synthesis 2. Also, yes I just noticed 3 HT are at 50%. I have still used it to turn 2 stacks of NQ lumber (from desynthesis) into 171 carp turn ins using NQ horn glue as well. That is 86% using all NQ mats.

Edit: only 1 HT without SH2, 11 with now.

In a way, i like it and i don't like it. I like having 12 Hasty Touches over 11, but part of me prefers Innovation over a 50% Hasty Touch. I spent time thinking if there was some kind of way of moving that hasty down or changing the rotating up slightly to get all under SH2 which would be perfect but then we lost the clipped CZ which is essential.
12-08-2014, 04:35 AM
Rath

Quote:

Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

In a way, i like it and i don't like it. I like having 12 Hasty Touches over 11, but part of me prefers Innovation..

Innovation is better, but you have 10 free dura to use up before MM2 without compromising anything else. Why not use a free 50% chance (that is in no way needed other then to pad quality)
12-08-2014, 07:09 PM
xPeAcEx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rath

Innovation is better, but you have 10 free dura to use up before MM2 without compromising anything else. Why not use a free 50% chance (that is in no way needed other then to pad quality)

Because to get innovation in, you can't use Standard Synth. And you have to use a CS2 in place of the above Hasty to keep the CZ clipped and gain the necessary cp :) Shark fin soup would solve all our problems, shame it is 100k a pop :P
12-12-2014, 03:40 PM
Thistledown

Tomato price was halved and the demand instantly vanished in Tonberry. From a golden star to nothing in a matter of a week.

I had to sell my 99 stacks of HQ tomatoes for 500 T_T
02-05-2015, 11:56 AM
Rath

Just thought I would update this for new crafters looking to make their own MCD. I use the following macro now for artisan tool turn-in items. This requires 394 CP and NQ mats.

Macro 1
/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/echo MACRO 2

Macro 2
/ac "Manipulation" <me>
/ac "Steady Hand II
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>
02-15-2015, 01:26 AM
rappa

352 cp but i don't remember the craftmanship.

/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend II" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>

/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"
02-16-2015, 11:21 AM
ChriZirhC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thistledown

Tomato price was halved and the demand instantly vanished in Tonberry. From a golden star to nothing in a matter of a week.

I had to sell my 99 stacks of HQ tomatoes for 500 T_T

I know right. NQ is completely worthless now. Let's wait for gold saucer so that competition can get distracted. haha