Is my SMN rotation okay? (video)

So, I've been parsed at 353 (I know, horrible) but I'm a BLM main who uses SMN to kite. I may be using SMN for T11 since I'm having issues during add phase (clip casting sucks against the egg). Also was parsed at 353 before my weapon, coat and shiva bracelet.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...05&pnref=story

My gear is all over the place, I know. Any help there would also be appreciated. I opened with Shadow Flare on the ground to replicate Tank pulling lol

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

So, I've been parsed at 353 (I know, horrible) but I'm a BLM main who uses SMN to kite. I may be using SMN for T11 since I'm having issues during add phase (clip casting sucks against the egg). Also was parsed at 353 before my weapon, coat and shiva bracelet.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...05&pnref=story

My gear is all over the place, I know. Any help there would also be appreciated. I opened with Shadow Flare on the ground to replicate Tank pulling lol

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This would be the optimal opening rotation:

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Optimal opener is:

Raging Strikes -> X-Potion of Intelligence -> Bio II (Start precasting it when you see your tank about to engage) -> Miasma (Start moving toward the boss at 0.5 left on the cast) -> Bio -> Fester (when Bio applies) -> Miasma II -> Potent Poison Potion -> Contagion + Swiftcast -> Shadow Flare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow.

After this, it's mostly a priority system depending on how the fight goes. You want to refresh Dots when they have < 3 seonds remaining, same deal for Shadow Flare if the boss won't move for 12 seconds minimum. Make sure to use Ruin II in before using off-gcd abilities. Whenever possible, be in melee range to be able to auto-attack the boss.

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The thread also has pretty good information about slightly modified openers. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask!

Okay, so I'm at 390 now with the rotation you kindly showed :D

I wasn't using X pots, food or Poison pots however. I missed 3 potential Shadow Flares too :/

Since the post has been answered, I will go off topic before it is dead...Why your avatar is one of the Miqo'te but your signature is one of the Hyur??? I see someone has switched to our fleabag race... Or that is what my friends call me :confused:

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Okay, so I'm at 390 now with the rotation you kindly showed :D

I wasn't using X pots, food or Poison pots however. I missed 3 potential Shadow Flares too :/

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Practice makes perfect so keep at it. Also, don't hesitate to modify the rotation to suit it to different situations as well.

Since this thread is talking about the opening rotation, a quick question if I may.

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Raging Strikes -> X-Potion of Intelligence -> Bio II (Start precasting it when you see your tank about to engage) -> Miasma (Start moving toward the boss at 0.5 left on the cast) -> Bio -> Fester (when Bio applies) -> Miasma II -> Potent Poison Potion -> Contagion + Swiftcast -> Shadow Flare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow.

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Excluding the potions, this is the rotation I've used pretty much since the game started (although I still long for the day they add an /item macro command). I've always been curious though, why the X-Potion is used after Raging Strikes and not before?

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Originally Posted by LionKing

Since the post has been answered, I will go off topic before it is dead...Why your avatar is one of the Miqo'te but your signature is one of the Hyur??? I see someone has switched to our fleabag race... Or that is what my friends call me :confused:

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Oh! I switch appearance month haha! I'll be going back to a... Hyur next I believe. Only race I won't go is Roe :D

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Since this thread is talking about the opening rotation, a quick question if I may.



Excluding the potions, this is the rotation I've used pretty much since the game started (although I still long for the day they add an /item macro command). I've always been curious though, why the X-Potion is used after Raging Strikes and not before?

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I think it is because Raging lasts longer than the pots does. That's why with BLM, we use Fire 3, Raging Strikes, Fire 1, then Xpot. Raging and Xpot then have similar run time.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Since this thread is talking about the opening rotation, a quick question if I may.



Excluding the potions, this is the rotation I've used pretty much since the game started (although I still long for the day they add an /item macro command). I've always been curious though, why the X-Potion is used after Raging Strikes and not before?

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I use Pots before. Doesn't really matter as long as you can fit in all four dots + one fester with both.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Since this thread is talking about the opening rotation, a quick question if I may.



Excluding the potions, this is the rotation I've used pretty much since the game started (although I still long for the day they add an /item macro command). I've always been curious though, why the X-Potion is used after Raging Strikes and not before?

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The potion's duration is shorter than Raging Strikes. It allows for it to not be wasted on things that aren't damage spells.

So, my new parse was 390 as mentioned, but I was 30 speced into SCH stats. Would that make a noticeable difference?

I play my sch way more than I play my smn, but still, I put the points in INT. Feels better there, than the tiny heal boost a sch gets. Though it's a dps loss to a sch too due to how cleric works, so it's a decision ye.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

So, my new parse was 390 as mentioned, but I was 30 speced into SCH stats. Would that make a noticeable difference?

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I would switch the 30 points into Intelligence. Lacking 30 Intelligence has a bigger impact on your performance than losing 30 Mind as a Scholar.

Resetting points cost only 250 company seals now so it is no big deal changing it after raid.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

So, my new parse was 390 as mentioned, but I was 30 speced into SCH stats. Would that make a noticeable difference?

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Looking a lot better.

30 INT would make a noticeable difference so definitely change that.

You made good use of Bio to prevent GCD clipping for using Fester, but also work Ruin II into it when you need to, to keep those fast casts going.
(Also be careful when using Bio because if you use Fester too fast it wont register Bio and you'll lose 100 Potency)

Since Bio is instant cast, you will want to clip it at 1 second, or just as it falls off.

For Dummy Practice, get into the habit of using Auto Attacks and standing close to the dummy to get a feel for it. That way it feels more natural when you encounter fights where you can actually use Auto Attacks. (I'd recommend putting the Auto Attack Icon on your Cross-Bar, unless there's an easy way to turn it on for Gamepad?)

With those changes and getting used to your rotation, with your listed gear, you could probably push 450 DPS for a 3 min parse.

The other rotation is super close to what i do but i do the shadow flare abit differently because it seems to make it easier for me (different parts in bold)

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Raging Strikes -> X-Potion of Intelligence -> Bio II (Start precasting it when you see your tank about to engage) -> Miasma (Start moving toward the boss at 0.5 left on the cast) -> Bio -> Fester (when Bio applies) -> Miasma II -> Potent Poison Potion -> Ruin II (while mashing contagion) -> Swiftcast -> Shadow Flare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow.

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I am parsing around 400 (6 minutes). Is this normal or should I be higher? Have High Allagan Book and one Poetic ring. I'm pretty certain I'm doing stuff right.

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

I am parsing around 400 (6 minutes). Is this normal or should I be higher? Have High Allagan Book and one Poetic ring. I'm pretty certain I'm doing stuff right.

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Should be higher

I do everything perfectly, though, I think. I clip my dots, use cooldowns when they're up. Even used poison pots (no intelligence), used Shadow Flare. But I haven't touched Summoner in quite a while. It's since T11 that I might give it a shot. It should probably be higher. I will have to figure stuff out. I also didn't use auto-attack. I wonder where I could be losing damage. You know of an often made mistake by summoners?

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

I do everything perfectly, though, I think. I clip my dots, use cooldowns when they're up. Even used poison pots (no intelligence), used Shadow Flare. But I haven't touched Summoner in quite a while. It's since T11 that I might give it a shot. It should probably be higher. I will have to figure stuff out. I also didn't use auto-attack. I wonder where I could be losing damage. You know of an often made mistake by summoners?

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400 DPS with your gear on a 6 minute parse is reasonable. Especially without AA damage. You could do better by knowing exactly how to pace yourself for the 6 minutes without going out of MP and getting full use of Fester (not having to sub it for Energy Drain for MP). That way you can sub in some Ruin II to make sure more of your Auto Attacks go off.

But why train that hard on a Dummy right? It sounds like you have the priority system all sorted out and can probably do good damage in real fights.