ST and these "invincible" Nin..

Ok so it's not because you are a Nin that you are invinsible! I never had to use raise so much in ST since NIN ca me out! And yes it's almost only NINs that I need to raise... I see those DRG and MNK playing well im ST, evading those nasty AoE and such ... But I guess most NIN think they are a NIN from Naruto! Please learn how to play you role! Perfect Dodge doesnt mean you are invinsible :-)

I think many new ninja are so preoccupied with practicing their rotations that they are failing to observe basic mechanics.

Actually seeing a lot of comedic tragedy in ST lately, and not only from the ninja. Something's in the water. My guess would be lead.

Could also be that the fact that many NINs are fresh 50s so their iLVL is kinda low compared to the the rest of the group, which means that they are more prone do dying from random aoe/cleaves.

I had 4 ninjas in my party once and 2 of them were barely geared. As if healing in pugs wasn't challenging enough.

Yeah with everyone trying to gear up from Sands and Oils in ST I've been seeing a lot of incompetent players all around.

Twice I saw a tank kiting Scylla. The main tank. Kiting. With full enmity. Kite-ing.

At least I got a sand out of it.

ST has ALWAYS been full of clowns, at least whenever I run it with precious few beautiful exceptions. Ninjas are, exactly as everyone predicted, the new goons. Though DRGs still try pretty hard to live up to that nickname. I get that not every dps is gonna be i100+ and know the dungeon inside out going into it, but it's another to see enough fellow dps die to incredibly stupid things that you just start hoping ST is infested with trolls because the alternative is much more depressing.

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Originally Posted by Darkkos

Ok so it's not because you are a Nin that you are invinsible! I never had to use raise so much in ST since NIN ca me out! And yes it's almost only NINs that I need to raise... I see those DRG and MNK playing well im ST, evading those nasty AoE and such ... But I guess most NIN think they are a NIN from Naruto! Please learn how to play you role! Perfect Dodge doesnt mean you are invinsible :-)

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I believe that LOLDRG is no more, it has been replaced by LOLNIN. As a healer, i too have been spitting feathers at the amount of lvl 50 ninjas around at the moment who are spending their time standing in aoes. Yeah it is a new class, yeah people are practising rotations, but if you havent figured out not to stand in the bad by now, then something is amiss. O.o

This has been my experience too. I've been running a lot of ST on various jobs to get gear and oils. When it came time to focus on getting healer gear (got my final Scylla this evening!) was when I noticed who was hardest to heal. Ninjas. Always Ninjas.

Honestly not noticed a great deal more Ninjas doing stupid things over other classes. In some cases they are new players probably doing ST for the first time people make mistakes when they don't know a fight. Granted you have so much time to not step in these AoE's that you really shouldn't be taking hits from most of them anyway. I can take somebody dying because they don't understand a wipe mechanic that one shots them. ST goes one of two ways you get a raid of people who most of them know the fights and it's a laid back easy run or it's a struggle because people are running around all over the place like headless chickens screaming as they die. Honestly some Scylla fights look like the Somme.

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Originally Posted by Divestep

Could also be that the fact that many NINs are fresh 50s so their iLVL is kinda low compared to the the rest of the group, which means that they are more prone do dying from random aoe/cleaves.

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Not when your doing the relic Hydra fight and the same NIN runs through the floor aoe 5 times before burning to death. This is not a case of "oops I am human and made a mistake" this is a case of "durp durp durp duhhhh dead"

I've been spamming ST over the last couple days, and I have yet to see one of the Ninja's die (not that it doesn't happen). Here's what I saw: 2 under geared healers forgetting cleric stance and allowing everyone to suffer. They get drops, but do you think they put on Scylla's diapers of stop pooping yourself? No, they go the whole way through with their level 55 stuff. Monk forgets that Daybreak means get on the pad with the rest of us. Tank decides he needs to hold Glasya while everyone else goes to destroy the spanners. People who think that they need to bring the fire to the water just as Scylla casts freshly lit taco bell fart. People who freeze themselves at the edge of the map rather than closer to the middle so it's a nice stroll to their location. Folks who don't DPS the slime or bring the orbs to Kum Kum.... All these mistakes were being made before and they're being made now. Geesh, the tanks aren't even keeping the clockworks in the right place and causing raid wide wipes. It happens.

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

ST has ALWAYS been full of clowns, at least whenever I run it with precious few beautiful exceptions. Ninjas are, exactly as everyone predicted, the new goons. Though DRGs still try pretty hard to live up to that nickname. I get that not every dps is gonna be i100+ and know the dungeon inside out going into it, but it's another to see enough fellow dps die to incredibly stupid things that you just start hoping ST is infested with trolls because the alternative is much more depressing.

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Too bad cuz MNK n DRG still outdps NIN, and the latest DRG buff eliminating any second of animation lock from jumps reducing the amount of loldrgs, and the stage now belongs to SHITnobi / shiNOOBi

I have also noticed that I tend to heal/ress nin more than any other class recently. That being said the general quality of ST runs since patch 2.4 has dropped dramatically. Wiping on the second boss because people can't position the robes to save their lives, tanks fighting over agro, OTs sitting picking their noses while adds wipe out their healers, people not boring to unfreeze alliance A then whine in chat because alliance A didn't get on the platform and everyone got petrify, letting adds through at Amon, not avoiding Xande's ohko aoe or not going into the yellow circles, retard players who run out from behind the ice pillars as Amon finishes his ohko aoe, that one player that without fail dies at least 3 times every boss fight. The list goes on. I got my last sands yesterday and Im so happy I no long have to set foot in that hell hole.

On the subject of lolnin I saw a nin in AV go from 100% hp -> dead because they cba getting out laboured lead....

Lol so many things I've seen recently on the last run the raid was being slaughtered from people not standing in the yellow circles it's such a simple mechanic there are enough players go get one a circle yet people go into tunnel vision mode and just spam attacks on the boss. The freeze thing too gets on my nerves on Scylla I'm pretty sure somebody in your own party normally gets frozen yet for some reason you seem to get people running around all over the place I'll be running to free somebody in my party right next to me and two other people with fire orbs come charging in and kill them XD. Also been frozen and had somebody with a fire orb run right past me to free somebody on the other side of the room being freed by others. And some OT's can be absolutely useless "Okay guys I'll just run around near death while you all fight over the boss mob".

so basically, lolnin

MMO community at it's best. Class has been out for little over a week, and you begin a moment to dub them a derogatory.

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Originally Posted by Urtear

MMO community at it's best. Class has been out for little over a week, and you begin a moment to dub them a derogatory.

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Except most of the so called ninjas are people who played the game a long time and should know by now how things work (avoid AOEs, don't leeroy, etc). Yet peoples' brains turn off once they pull out that katana.

I've been reviving so many Ninjas lately no matter what content I am doing. I had to revive this one guy like 5 times the other day during the same boss fight. I know it's a new class and all but people should know AoE's are bad and that you should not ignore insta kill mechanics.

Pretty certain that, since Ninja is the new class and EVERYONE seems to be making one, there are a lot of non-melee folks trying to play something they've never been good at in the first place.

Had a dragoon in ST yesterday that while everyone was getting into position around sides of room, he just started running right across from one end to the other, right through middle and through boss and kept going like he accidentally turned on auto-run and couldn't be bothered to stop himself which made for messy start to the fight. Like others have said I also have not noticed ninjas mostly doing dumb things, it's still around even split between all classes which do dumb things from what I have seen.

I have seen a fair amount of Ninjas falling (pun not intended) in love with the floor recently, but to be fair, I've seen a lot of stupidity all around lately.
-WHMs that don't understand they need to bring up protect on people who died from the previous fights
-Tanks that don't understand what it means to hold aggro instead of humping the bosses leg for ten minutes in hoping that it starts swatting at them first
-lolBRD with "What's foe's requiem? I'm supposed to use songs?"
-Scholars that don't bother to resummon Eos after she gets ripped apart by adds
-OT that don't understand they need to GET adds
-Tanks in general
-Why do I keep running ST
-Oh god please send help

The OT thing in ST is getting to be a pain it's like all three Tanks decide they are MT so when tons of adds appear and start chasing DPS and Healers they are all busy fighting over boss aggro. Last night had two clones attacking me and I'm "Where the hell are the OT's?" in chat while trying to stay alive the MT informs me that they are trying to take aggro from him even though he established on the first boss he would MT so the OT's finally figure out they should be doing something about the adds and one of them is all "Oh shut up nobody dies from clones anyway" Apparently it was rude of me to expect somebody to do what they are supposed to be doing XD.

I think it is a combination of level 50 NINs being undergeared and being unfamiliar with their rotations to the point that they're focusing on them so much that they get killed...

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Originally Posted by Amnesia

I think it is a combination of level 50 NINs being undergeared and being unfamiliar with their rotations to the point that they're focusing on them so much that they get killed...

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Id rather they mess up a rotation and get out an aoe instead of dying imo. Your dps = 0 when dead.