First off, I am not a master Ninja, far from it. I do not consider myself a good Ninja, and won't be for a long time. This said, I have discovered something that will ease the work for all of us with our seals.
This method was something that just came to mind as I was practicing.
I do not know if people have talked about this a lot, but I doubt it. - If they have, then I take no credit for this, all I want to do is help.
Let's get to it.
The first In/Mudra should be performed with one button press.
The second In/Mudra should be performed with TWO button presses.
The last, if you plan on doing a 3-step In/Mudra, should be performed with two button press starting with the first one when the second seal's cooldown has reached close to halfway.
This, by FAR, is the best method I have come across to do the Ninjutsus decently fast.
The timing of the presses are pretty strict. The first seal and the second seal must be performed almost instantaneously after one another.
Now, I use a PS3 controller when I am playing, so what I do is I slide my thumb from the directional button on the pad from the first seal, to the second one pretty fast.
This I found, gets your second seal out extremely quickly if you are lucky with lag and delay.
After the first two seals are done comes the tricky part, at least for the Mitsu-In/Triple Mudra Ninjutsus.
To get the timing of the third seal to not mess up too badly, I hit the second seal twice - so, I slide from seal 1, to seal 2, making it trigger the second seal, then I immediately hit seal 2 again, finally, I press the last seal two times.
This makes me hit the third seal when the cooldown timer on the second seal is around 50% which can trigger the game to recognize that the final seal has been hit, and can cause this last seal to be triggered extremely quickly.
I keep getting very quick results when compared to others, which I like, and dislike, which is why I am writing this. I want others to learn how to - if not every time - but as regularly as possible, get their Ninjutsus out faster.
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As I do not play with a keyboard, I am not sure how this would work to 100%, but I have my ideas.
Basically press the first seal, and the second seal very quickly after the first one has been pressed - again, almost instantaneously. The cooldown bar should barely have moved.
Feel free to criticize, come with ideas for improvements or post own ideas.
Again, very important, do not spam the second seal more than 3 times, or you risk messing up. 3 is max, don't risk more.
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Ninja edit (get it?):
If you DO play on controller OR PC, and feel confident that you can execute the first two seals flawlessly, you CAN skip the second press and do it like this:
Seal 1, slide to Seal 2, double-tap seal 3. - This is the fastest way, but requires a bit more training than the above version.
Ninja edit 3: I removed Ninja edit 2 and re-wrote the button part to include the wait between the 2:nd and 3:rd seal.
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Finally, yes, lag sadly does make this, or doing mudras at all, very inconsistent when it comes to saving time, so bare that in mind. It is a shame that SE didn't quite get that right.
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Walk in the shadows.
Mastering Swift Handseals [Mudra/In]
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11-03-2014, 01:52 PMZanmatoMastering Swift Handseals [Mudra/In]
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11-03-2014, 04:22 PMMook_Mook
Did some testing on key board, it seems fairly easy to get two out one after another with a quick one after another, but getting the 3rd out is a bit trickier. definitely helps though.
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11-03-2014, 05:04 PMZanmato
Yeah, the third seal is very difficult to get out fast and I am currently trying to figure out if the timing of the first two seals can in some way determine when to press the third seal. Will update if I find anything.
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11-03-2014, 06:22 PMLyrinn
I've wondered about this myself. Sometimes they come out right after another and other times there seems to be a full one second delay. I haven't been able to replicate the quick instances with any sort of consistency and it drives me crazy. I'm on keyboard.
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11-03-2014, 06:53 PMKitfoxI'd say this is more related to latency than anything else. Then again, maybe there's a trick to it. I do notice a difference in speed when using a VPN, so I'm sceptical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrinn
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11-03-2014, 06:54 PMZanmatoIt has to do with delay, sadly, and we can't do anything about it. That's SE's fault. And yes, the inconsistency is extremely annoying and forces us to lose DPS, which I am not a big fan of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrinn
A tip is to go to your FC house and do your mudras there, you will notice it flows MUCH better in there. -
11-03-2014, 07:03 PMSynestra
Latency plays large role when executing mudras, in housing area all 3 mudra comboes goes in pretty damn fast but on openfield not so much. Funny part is that sometimes when i do Raiton it starts as an shuriken animation and then it changes to Raiton in middle of its animation.
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11-03-2014, 07:14 PMDeloreanI just do the two immediately and allow for a slight delay on the third followed by the ninjutsu ability and that works perfectly. I think the system just handles queuing two abilities better than four all at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mook_Mook
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11-04-2014, 04:46 AMShaolinMike
Good tip, but I can't see myself adding additional button presses to NIN rotation. I play on PS4, and I'm not looking to do anything that's going to speed up the rate at which my hands/fingers get tired from playing the game. If it works, though, more power to ya :-)
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11-04-2014, 10:46 PMpoint09micron
Can they be Macro'd to make a single button-press? I haven't unlocked it yet, so I'm not clear how they're entered.
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11-04-2014, 11:11 PMBixbyNot effectively. Mudras have a 0.5 second CD, and macros have 1 second as the minimum wait time between skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by point09micron
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11-06-2014, 06:05 PMAvari
For people that play nearly all jobs (where mashing next ability has grown to muscle memory) I'd suggest making an individual macro for each mudra seal. Just a simple 2 line macro for each one (3 total).
/micon "Ten"
/ac "Ten"
Do the same for Chi and Jin (separate buttons) replace your existing Ten, Chi, and Jin with these 3 macros.
FF14 allows for "queueing" of raw abilities that you hit early (why people mash). This feature can cause issues for seals, which only have a 0.5s CD.
Macros can not queue at all and only go off when the CD is ready. Mash each seal until you see it go off (like you would playing most jobs) and still get a 0.5s CD without any accidental double inputs/fails.
Now my NIN plays like other jobs (muscle memory perspective) and I haven't had any accidental double seals since swapping to the macro'd versions.
Not for everyone, but no one can control their latency - just sharing an alternative that has made NIN much better for me personally. -
11-07-2014, 05:13 AMShaolinMikeInteresting. Does this make mudra casting feel more natural?Quote:
Originally Posted by Avari
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11-07-2014, 09:19 AMRiepah
I count myself among those who're handicapped because of latency. I'm curious to hear a few more people's results - what is the maximum amount of mudras you can successfully spam after each other until the time is up? Living in Austria I can only do 9, one of my friends from the USA can do 12 and another friend, from the UK, 11.