Alternative looting system

While i was doing Syrcus tower for my second time i couldn't fail to notice how after each boss there were 1-5 items(depending on boss) that dropped and could be rolled by almost all players excluding job specifics.there was an encounter with an end game geared bard that ninja'd all the bard gear from everyone else because he had the right to roll.After contacting the gms they were kind to answer and discuss the matter but in the end nothing was really done.Yes i know you can loot multiple times St but the raids will keep coming and the patch raid will always allow you to loot one per week.So my suggestion is to at least make the raids not cuurently on the patch have a personal loot system.That way everyone can get something and ninja's wouldnt bother people seeking gear for alternative characters or characters new to the game.I m pretty sure the SE team can solve the ingredient type loot issue if it appeared so just at least think about this request if you would be so kind

The current system does make gearing up more of a grind than it has to be, and anyone lvling has my sympathy. Having said that you should be prepared to get a majority of forum users saying "Deal with it".

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Well there's that 'you can't have more than one unique gear' but if fully geared, he'd just turn it in for gc seals the moment he get them anyways so it's kinda moot.

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Originally Posted by Thistledown

Well there's that 'you can't have more than one unique gear' but if fully geared, he'd just turn it in for gc seals the moment he get them anyways so it's kinda moot.

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GC seals, gil, or desynthing. That's been the bane of me getting any gear with a greed roll. I ran a high level roulette the other day and got Wanderer's Palace. Everyone was WAY overgeared for the dungeon, but the tank and bard rolled need on every piece of gear they could roll need on. I'd like to see a desynth option similar to WoW where we could win the greed roll but get the desynth results of the item.

Is the OP complaint that this Bard was rolling Need, so she couldn't roll Greed and get something for a job she's not playing? That's not ninja looting. At all. The Need/Greed system makes ninja looting impossible in FFXIV.

She just wants it to have a limit so if only Bard equipment is dropped then the single said Bard cannot take everything. It is also a double-edged sword that way however it definitely seems more fair to at least make sure almost everyone gets rewarded.

I say the solution is to only let each person get one thing per run, you can run as much as you want, but if you take an oil you can't get a sand, if you take a piece of gear you can't get anything else till you're next run, it would operate much closer to how it used to, with people only taking what they need, just without the weekly cap.

Or if you need items for a certain job, run the dungeon as that job. Then you can need to your hearts content too.

Or run with a premade party and decide loot rules before hand.

Not exactly complicated solutions.

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Originally Posted by whereismymind86

I say the solution is to only let each person get one thing per run,

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Problem would be people getting an item, then leaving since it's pointless for them to continue on that run. Then, after each boss, the group has to wait for new people to join, catch up to the group, etc.
A quicker fix would be to make the oil/sand/unidentified stones one of each per run max. That way, a person could not win more than one of them in a run but likely spread out enough that we wouldn't get a churn in the group.

Though, personal loot does lead to a LOT less drama overall. It could even help with some of the queue times if they allow people to queue and get personal loot for their off-classes. For example, my WHM doesn't need any gear from ST.
However, my MNK does. So, I queue as WHM but my personal loot setting is MNK. Even better if I could queue as multiple classes, but have my own personal loot setting for just the one that I want.

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Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

I'd like to see a desynth option similar to WoW where we could win the greed roll but get the desynth results of the item.

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I love this idea, however the player should also be limited on a roll for this option if they don't have the crafting class + desynth level. I have to say I started leveling crafting for the first time this patch because of the direction square has taken beastman tribes and crafting in general, it adds an additional layer that was missing before and it's important. It really would take a lot away from crafters if everyone ever could roll for a desynth.

How about not being able to need on items of a lower level than equipped? Although we'd probably see people running ST in dark light gear just to get them. Look at it this way, you can do exactly the same as that Bard so it's technically fair.

I'm confused, did they get rid of the one piece of gear per week with the new patch. How do you get multiple pieces in one run?

In ST, and second coil of Bahamut, they lift all all the limitation. You can now run as many times as you like, loot as many loots as able. And they are experiencing the new loot system in regular Duns by giving you Antique pieces (be it head,body,leg,etc...), you can then use them to trade for what you want, as the same type, from the Npc, who you will get agumentated gears from, for AF2 gears. So far I love it. I will take 1/5 chance to get what I want than 1/X where X is the total number of loots drop from a turn.

Gasp! Bards getting bard gears, alert the authorities.

If you want a certain piece of gear, go that job.

If you want sand/oil/etc, roll higher.

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Originally Posted by whereismymind86

I say the solution is to only let each person get one thing per run, you can run as much as you want, but if you take an oil you can't get a sand, if you take a piece of gear you can't get anything else till you're next run, it would operate much closer to how it used to, with people only taking what they need, just without the weekly cap.

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This right here, 100%. It'd still impose a grind, but grinds can be good, until they become bad. But this post right here is a perfect solution. RNGatan has set up residence in ST lately, been seeing players who intentionally get locked out of Amon and Xande win sands and oil, players who spend more time eating dirt than hitting mobs win sands and oils, and UATs. Plural form, not just won. Players who burst their butts end up with rolls 13 and below. Seen it multiple, multiple runs.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

If you want sand/oil/etc, roll higher.

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Pretty much this >_<

For some reason i always end up rolling less than 10... but oh well RNG is RNG and tbh i dont really mind it as ST is good place to train Ninja rotations + you might get some loot for said class.

And to top it off RNG really hates some people... been running a lot of ST as tank and only had one piece of tank gear drop.