Is there a way SE to fix DD DF ques?

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I Canceled like 3 times each one for 60+ min. and I haven't gotten in yet ( about 3 hours and counting). Can SE make the DF work for DD's too?

Introduce Dark Knight... NEEOOWWW!!!!

It is working, what do you expect when more than 2/3 of the game's population is trying to level up a job at the same time? If everyone rushes to the finish line at the same time then don't expect to cross without tripping a few times.

Things will be back to normal once the Ninja zerg calms down. In the mean time, maybe a tank or healer friend would be willing to que up with you?

Switching all 4-man dungeons to 5-mans would create a better balance.

I expected this, you have almost every person out leveling up Rogue/Ninja. Of course DF queues are going to be extremely high. Only Healer and Tanks are getting in easy.

Yay healers

There isn't any incentive for tanks & healers to do low level dungeons. The rewards are too low for the time required to do them.

Also, any tank or healer that ... say, already has their nexus but wants to work on the nexus for their DPS class is stuck farming light on their DPS class. So there's some incentive not to play desired classes when you're working on that.

And again, even if there was some way to earn light for your DPS class while tanking a lower level dungeon, again, the reward sucks, since it's so much more time efficient to farm the current bonus HM primal.

Good time to level another job like tank or healer.

You can't magically create healers and tanks that aren't there.

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Originally Posted by Tauu

Switching all 4-man dungeons to 5-mans would create a better balance.

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I've always been surprised that the dungeons weren't designed this way to start. There are just so many DPS to Healers and Tanks.

Give healers and tanks even more rewards for queueing in Donjons ? Yes, it's not far but... There is not enough tank/healer, and not enough reasons for the tanks and healers to do those donjons.

1.5 million Rogues trying for two spots. Did you honestly think it would be instant queue?

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Originally Posted by Tauu

Switching all 4-man dungeons to 5-mans would create a better balance.

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Okay, 1.5 million Rogues trying for three spots....

There is nothing to "fix" unless you can "fix" people's prefference for playing certain jobs.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

You can't magically create healers and tanks that aren't there.

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Hmmmmm, SE could always let pre-made parties use Chocobo companions in 4-man dungeons. 2 DPS with choco's out could then grind the lower level dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Hmmmmm, you could always let pre-made parties use Chocobo companions in 4-man dungeons. 2 DPS with choco's out could then grind the lower level dungeons.

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That's a band-aid only effect in very low level dungeons. Hardly a fix.

A fix that only fixes a small subset of the dungeons is not a fix. You can just as easily run 4 rogues with 1 cross classes stoneskin, protect, and cure without wasting time reprogramming the game so chocobos can queue up. You'd be able to push just as far into the dungeons with that setup as with chocobos.

Go fate grind or do levels. That's the real alternative.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Hmmmmm, SE could always let pre-made parties use Chocobo companions in 4-man dungeons. 2 DPS with choco's out could then grind the lower level dungeons.

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Pretty sure you can do 4 ninjas in most of the lower level stuff just by cross classing cure/protect/stoneskin or savage blade/defensive buffs and maybe have one nin wear healer gear and act as dedicated healer. But you'll probably run into the wall around 30 or so, probably the same as running with choco heals/tanking.

Chocobos would never be a suitable replacement for a healer or tank. They're just not strong enough.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Go fate grind or do levels. That's the real alternative.

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Did that 1-15, and it's quite boring to me, I prefer dungeons. I will kill random mobs while waiting but I really dislike FATEs.

I think that tonight I'm going to start a 4-Ninja group and just do the trash of the highest dungeon everyone can queue for and see if that works better than other methods. My ROG is 27 (I think) right now so I'll be trying to get queued for toto-rak I think.

I'll just have to evaluate to see if it is better than FATE grinding or leves.

By the ways leves are pretty decent if you are quick about them.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Did that 1-15, and it's quite boring to me, I prefer dungeons. I will kill random mobs while waiting but I really dislike FATEs.

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Get a tank and a healer friend to queue with you or simply BE the tank and healer and leave Ninja for when the hype dies out.

As a side note, since they separated the melee and ranged queues the problem seems to be just with melee, I tested the ranged queue and average wait time was "less than 5 minutes".

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Originally Posted by Alukah

leave Ninja for when the hype dies out.

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NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Does no one remember how crazy it was to try and level Arcanist when it was the new hotness on release? The only advantage there was that people would switch to SCH at 30 so they could get insta-queues as a healer. Rogue and Ninja will not benefit from that.

My recommendation is to find some friends and group up, taking turns as ROG / ROG / Tank / Healer and just forget about the Roulette bonuses. I did two hours of leves + FATEs last night, queue never popped, and I went from 15 > 20 in that time before giving up and going to bed.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Did that 1-15, and it's quite boring to me, I prefer dungeons. I will kill random mobs while waiting but I really dislike FATEs.

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O_o
I'm surprised you of all people are asking this.

What did you seriously expect when a long awaited class/job has come out?

1. Find heal or tank to help you. *best bet.*
2. Take the wait.
3. Leves.
4. Fates.
5. Wait a while for the hype to die.

All you can do honestly. It just added wait for DPS because everyone's a ROG/NIN lol.
To be expected...should of released Dark Knight right now too. xD...

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

O_o
I'm surprised you of all people are asking this.

What did you seriously expect when a long awaited class/job has come out?

1. Find heal or tank to help you. *best bet.*
2. Take the wait.
3. Leves.
4. Fates.
5. Wait a while for the hype to die.

All you can do honestly.

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Well, what I was "hoping" SE would have done was release to jobs of different job roles to spread out the roles. I know of course with only 1 JOb that there will be issues getting into parties. :/

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

You can't magically create healers and tanks that aren't there.

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Will heal or tank for pay? 100M gil per run, any low level content. Put something like that on the PF and you will get instant que.

I did duty roulette as a tank for low level dungeons and only got 10k. They y should increase this to 26k and 15k when not in the bonus. People will start doing them

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Originally Posted by melflomil

I did duty roulette as a tank for low level dungeons and only got 10k. They y should increase this to 26k and 15k when not in the bonus. People will start doing them

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Is it really 10k? I would tank for people for that price. ( On my other character that is.) Low level dungeons are quick too ( 10-15 mins for 10k is pretty good).

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Is it really 10k? I would tank for people for that price. ( On my other character that is.) Low level dungeons are quick too ( 10-15 mins for 10k is pretty good).

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Yupp 7500 for being an adventurer in need and 2500 for completing the dungeon.

This is the exact reason I'm NOT leveling ROG/NIN right away. This is a great opportunity to work on my other Tank class and my Healer class. I'll probably stay away from DD's until 2.5 comes out. That would be the smart thing to do right now IMHO.

Uh have u ever considered making a 4 man party of rogues and queing up for low level dungeons tht is close to the party's level?
As long as u bring pots and ethers along with cure, stoneskin, protect and second wind along with some tank or emnity skills ur group will be fine.
The dps on 4 ninjas is pretty crazy and can finish a dungeon in 30 mins or so.
1 run while killing most mobs = almost 2 levels + dungeon gear.

Fates are soooooo long now due to the odin horde clearing every fate thus increasing the difficulty of the fate.
Instead of one person being able to solo a boss fate, it takes almost 2 whole parties of rogues to actually chunk its health down.

Hmm, it's almost as if adding a melee DPS to the game without adding any new tanks or healers caused a massive role imbalance.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Is it really 10k? I would tank for people for that price. ( On my other character that is.) Low level dungeons are quick too ( 10-15 mins for 10k is pretty good).

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Keep in mind that some of the low level dungeons are The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak.

Anyway, why do DF for 10k when you can put up a party finder and demand 50k per DPS that wants in?

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Originally Posted by Krr

Keep in mind that some of the low level dungeons are The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak.

Anyway, why do DF for 10k when you can put up a party finder and demand 50k per DPS that wants in?

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Well, I would personally, wouldn't charge that much lol. And I certainly wouldn't give any tank/healer more than 15k for something that is rather quick :P.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Uh have u ever considered making a 4 man party of rogues and queing up for low level dungeons tht is close to the party's level?.

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Yes, this!! Finding 3 (new or old) friends on your server and picking any party composition that works means that you can do as many dungeons as you like with zero wait time! :D

I like Duty Finder and Party Finder for their no-brainer convenience, but old-school parties with your FC or LS are even more fun in my opinion!

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Originally Posted by Krr

Anyway, why do DF for 10k when you can put up a party finder and demand 50k per DPS that wants in?

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Anyone is free to do this for people who are into it, but you should definitely note any such "demands" in Party Finder for people (like me) who aren't.

[ And on a semi-related note, so far I've only blacklisted RMT spammers, but I'm considering adding the people who spam "Selling all EX primals!!" all the time... :( ]

they need some npc healers and tanks for when none are available that would fix the queues

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I Canceled like 3 times each one for 60+ min. and I haven't gotten in yet ( about 3 hours and counting). Can SE make the DF work for DD's too?

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melee or ranged?
If melee, try it with ranged
if ranged, try it with melee

if both not work, use "/shout need tank, pay 15k gil"

I can't even get the introduction to DF to pop on my Pugilist.

10 mins is probably a optimistic guess. I can just see it. There are 2 mobs over there or oops i grabbed these 3 here. When people want xp they want you to kill every mob and clean their room for them. 10k should be for guildhests. You could make 10k faster then bowing to all the dps that want xp.