Ati/AMD Some graphical issues.

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08-08-2011, 12:28 AM
Kusuku

Ati/AMD Some graphical issues.
Hello.
I'm going to show you a video that demonstrate graphical issues that are suffering Ati/AMD's users since FFXIV's release.

http://youtu.be/dHh4jBXksX4

Firstly, you can appreciate flashing trees. Secondly, shadow issues (in this video don't appear correctly but it's annoying). And finally some framerate drops in Ul'dah, it shouldn't happen with my computer.

My computer specifications:
- Ati HD 4890
- Intel core i7 860 2,8Ghz.
- 4 GB DDr3 1333Mhz.
- Resolution: 1920x1080
- All running on Windows Seven x64 and I'm using the latest AMD drivers.
Catalyst Control Center configuration and Game Configuration:
http://i55.tinypic.com/2cpqhe8.png
08-08-2011, 01:13 AM
Nynnde

i have the same problem than you with my HD 4890 graphic card... Please fix this soon
08-08-2011, 04:31 AM
origamikitsune

Flashing trees: Happens on all video cards. Adjustments to AA can fix this (for whatever reason, this game seems to prefer none, or x2 AA; people who have no AA have seen performances increases by turning AA on to x2) and the flickering can mitigated by lowering AA. Stupid, I agree.

Shadow issues: Not exclusive to ATI. They just have really piss-poor shadowing on characters.

Low Frame Rates In Town: 9/10 caused by your hard drive, not your video card.
08-08-2011, 05:38 AM
Coldfire

In any case the problem lies not on the users end but in the game's code. Wonder if we will ever see these things fixed.
08-08-2011, 09:35 AM
Kusuku

Thank you for your answers!

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Flashing trees: Happens on all video cards. Adjustments to AA can fix this (for whatever reason, this game seems to prefer none, or x2 AA; people who have no AA have seen performances increases by turning AA on to x2) and the flickering can mitigated by lowering AA. Stupid, I agree.

I have tried with all AA configurations and is the same for me, including no AA.

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Shadow issues: Not exclusive to ATI. They just have really piss-poor shadowing on characters.

Yes, is a bit weird.

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Low Frame Rates In Town: 9/10 caused by your hard drive, not your video card.

So, what kind of HDD I need? Sata II 7200rpm is invalid? I cannot believe it haha.
08-08-2011, 11:28 AM
origamikitsune

Yes it is a problem. This game constantly reads-writes and in a horribly inefficient manner. This game caches a whole lot of info, and from what I understand does not handle the read and write buffers terribly well.

Many, many people have reported that upgrading to better hard drives, or switching over to Raid 0 arrays, or switching to SSDs having improved or, in the case of SSDs, removed the stuttering issues.

Having a 7200rpm SATA2 drive does not inherently mean you have a great hard drive. That's like saying that my race car has X top speed on the speedometer, there for it is better than your race car. There are a whole lot of factors involved beyond one ore two stats.

That said, any game that has the hard drive as a bottle neck needs to improved because omg, that's such a basic function. -.-
08-08-2011, 12:22 PM
Coldfire

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Yes it is a problem. This game constantly reads-writes and in a horribly inefficient manner. This game caches a whole lot of info, and from what I understand does not handle the read and write buffers terribly well.

It's the other way around: the game almost doesn't cache at all. There's no precaching and old data of characters that ain't on screen anymore is lost after a few seconds. I think this is due to PS3 restrictions... pretty sad. We play on PC and have to live with PS3 restrictions :/
08-08-2011, 02:50 PM
origamikitsune

I stand corrected. Either way, the dang game has obscene read/write issues.
08-08-2011, 04:58 PM
Kusuku

Thank you very much. Just a question about hard drivers. Could a SATA III HDD run faster than and SATA II disk in my motherboard that supports 3gb/s? (but I think it is SATA II speed or a little faster).
08-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Coldfire

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Originally Posted by NotApplicable

From what I've seen, the 'flashing' trees are a result of having Depth of Field enabled and anti-aliasing of transparent textures disabled.

I think it's cause there's no mipmaps and no alpha blending for those textures. 20 layers of textures is a bad joke of a tree anyway xD

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Originally Posted by Kusuku

Thank you very much. Just a question about hard drivers. Could a SATA III HDD run faster than and SATA II disk in my motherboard that supports 3gb/s? (but I think it is SATA II speed or a little faster).

An increased interface bandwidth only works if the hardware is faster than the current interface. With normal HDDs this is doubtful.
08-08-2011, 10:01 PM
Loth

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

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Originally Posted by Kusuku

Thank you very much. Just a question about hard drivers. Could a SATA III HDD run faster than and SATA II disk in my motherboard that supports 3gb/s? (but I think it is SATA II speed or a little faster).

An increased interface bandwidth only works if the hardware is faster than the current interface. With normal HDDs this is doubtful.

There is nothing doubtful about it. A normal mechanical HDD is nowhere near the limit of max SATA II transfer speeds.
A mechanical HDD with a SATA III interface is the same speed as one with SATA II if anything else is the same.
The fact that the interface offers higher bandwidth does not change the speed of the HDD.

I used to have a setup of Raid 0 Raptors for my gaming drive, and with that I had stuttering when entering an area with a lot of people, though not to the extent that others have reported.
Dropped that setup in exchange for an SSD and I no longer suffer stuttering.
It is not that people all pop instantly when entering an area, but there is no FPS hit (the stuttering) as there used to be.
08-08-2011, 10:13 PM
Archadius

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Many, many people have reported that upgrading to better hard drives, or switching over to Raid 0 arrays, or switching to SSDs having improved or, in the case of SSDs, removed the stuttering issues.

Question! Why are SSD so much more expensive for a smaller capacity? 1TB SATA is $500 less than a 256GB SSD. I can't speak for others, but I would not survive with a 256GB HD, even with my 2TB external HD handy, this is 2011 not 2003 D:
08-08-2011, 10:45 PM
Ekko

I had a RAID 0 and still had stuttering issues, I've now switch to a SSD : no more stuttering.
08-09-2011, 12:25 AM
Coldfire

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Question! Why are SSD so much more expensive for a smaller capacity? 1TB SATA is $500 less than a 256GB SSD. I can't speak for others, but I would not survive with a 256GB HD, even with my 2TB external HD handy, this is 2011 not 2003 D:

Because Apple buys all the flash chips for their devices and the production is pretty slow compared to magnetic disks. It will get cheaper in the near future.
08-09-2011, 02:04 AM
Archadius

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

Because Apple buys all the flash chips for their devices and the production is pretty slow compared to magnetic disks. It will get cheaper in the near future.

I love how you remembered I'm running on iMac lmao

Thanks! I will keep this in mind for when I make my next upgrade (also will keep my eyes on the GPUs they offer)
08-09-2011, 03:12 AM
Kusuku

Thank you for your answers. I have to consider buying a SSD to this game.
08-09-2011, 09:44 PM
ObeiKinstar

Heya, I got a radeon HD5850 I had alot of problems your having and I fixed a few of them. Someone mentioned depth of field messing the trees up like that, that is exactly right, took me forever to figure it out, play with depth of field off and the tree issue will be fixed.

The other issue I was having was with Morphological filtering (in the CCC) this was causing me to get glitches in the menus and cursor, when I turned that off my problems went away.

As far as the shadowing goes, it kinda just sucks...