THF?

So, having looked at Rogue abilities it basically looks like you get to play as a THF up to Lv.30 and then become a NIN.

I'm assuming with Rogue being the class that we'll see THF as a secondary job for the class sometime in the future. Any thoughts and do people even want THF? THF and NIN were both very good jobs in XI and different from each other.

Rogue is Thief.

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They already said way back, rogue is thief. They said the reason they opted to change the name from thief to rogue is they felt a rogue's guild fit better than a thief's guild in the whole back story of it being some behind the scenes underground militia.

Rogue is just another word for thief. They are one in the same. It's just terminology.

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Originally Posted by Velox

Rogue is just another word for thief. They are one in the same. It's just terminology.

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I get that but I know a few people who are disappointed that they don't actually get to have THF at 50. It just seems a little odd to tease you with it for 30 levels and then become what essentially looks like something very different.

Maybe it's just my XI brain exploding, my main was NIN in XI but I had a THF too. They both played quite differently so I guess that's where my confusion lies with how this is being implemented.

There isn't much of a functional place in FFXIV's world for mechanics like stealing and lockpicking. That's the real issue.

I mean as they explained it for lore sake. A band of thieves wouldn't be allowed to survive as a guild, and rogues are ex thieves that converted their skills to do good and learned martial art fighting styles.

That's their take on it sure it doesn't make sense but yes ROG is THF you literally get Mug as a skill sure it may seem as a teaser, but I think it's their way of shutting down everyones belief that there will in fact be a THF job later. Doesn't make sense now, ROG has THF skills and looks.

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Originally Posted by Axeus

I mean as they explained it for lore sake. A band of thieves wouldn't be allowed to survive as a guild, and rogues are ex thieves that converted their skills to do good and learned martial art fighting styles.

That's their take on it sure it doesn't make sense but yes ROG is THF you literally get Mug as a skill sure it may seem as a teaser, but I think it's their way of shutting down everyones belief that there will in fact be a THF job later. Doesn't make sense now, ROG has THF skills and looks.

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Yeah, that's what the wife was freaking out about. "WHY DOES IT HAVE THF AF AND IT'S NOT A JOB? THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING!" . Yeah, hiding that it's just crafted gear D:

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I get that but I know a few people who are disappointed that they don't actually get to have THF at 50. It just seems a little odd to tease you with it for 30 levels and then become what essentially looks like something very different.

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Different how exactly? Different from what it was in XI? Yes. But then no job in this game is the same as it's XI version. They are all very different. And so is NIN for that matter. But, as weird as it may seem for thf to be a base class, I just think back to FF1. It was the very first appearance of thf, and later in the game, it turned into NIN as an advanced job. :p

Just pretend you're playing Final Fantasy I and at 30 you give the rat's tail to Bahamut.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_(Final_Fantasy)

The gameplay environment in this game doesn't really support a DPS/Support via threat management like Thief did in 11.

-For one, the game plays just about a dozen times faster than 11. That isn't a knock on 11's part, they just play completely differently. While 11's slow, winding gameplay could be considered boring, it allowed the player to actively use many options to assess a problem. Go look at how many skills just one job gets in 11. Even after you sort out the strict upgrades, each job has about a dozen things they can do at any given time. In 14, gameplay is fast, immediately engaging, but more rigid. You just tank, DPS, or heal, and stay alive.
-Take in to consideration what a DPS has to do. Melee have to dodge the most while adhering to rotations to meet DPS checks. Asking a melee to additionally help manage threat with skills like Bully, SATA, Accomplice, and Conspirator while meeting checks is simply too much. Targeting allies means they aren't attacking and furthermore, what tank loses threat in a raid? Does ANYONE really want to put these kinds of skills in the hands of 14's PUGs and ask them to be responsible and skilled enough to use them in something like Titan EX? I sure don't. Call me pessimistic :/
-This brings up another point, in that 14 has no ways to directly screw things up. Sure, you can be awful at rotations and get hit by everything, but no skill in the game can actively wipe a raid (except perhaps Holmgang). With the mindset of the typical 14 player, this is a good thing; success is clearly defined.

People have to remember that FFXIV =/= FF11. Jobs like thief simply do not translate.