Ninja macros

So, it's pretty clear now, Ninja will be the Macro God.

If what I understand from the "Preview" Patch Note is correct, then these will be the basic macros :

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Fuma Shuriken (Ten)
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Fuma Shuriken (Jin)
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Fuma Shuriken (Chi)
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

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Katon (Chi Ten)
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Katon (Jin Ten)
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

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Raiton (Ten Chi)
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Raiton (Jin Chi)
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

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Hyoton (Ten Jin)
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Hyoton (Chi Jin)
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

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Huton (Jin Chi Ten)
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Huton (Chi Jin Ten)
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

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Doton (Ten Jin Chi)
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Doton (Jin Ten Chi)
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

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Suiton (Ten Chi Jin)
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

Suiton (Chi Ten Jin)
/ac Chi <me>
/ac Ten <me>
/ac Jin <me>
/ac Ninjutsu <t>

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You'll have to choose bewteen the multiple ways of doing a Ninjutsu and set the <wait> times accordingly.
Also, you can do a "Kassatsu - Ninjutsu" macro to use that buff (refresh Ninjutsu CD and makes the next one critical), and even a "Ninjutsu - Kassatsu - Ninjutsu" combo to go for a nice burst.
I believe the CD of Kassatsu is a very long one (probably 1 to 2mn, or even more).

Is that correct ?

I personally do not like using macros as dps, but because ninja will have much more going on for it perhaps macros will be of use.
We just need to wait until it is actually released to know for certain ;)

Did any one see the skill at the end called "Rabbit medium" the description was just "Thumpity thump thump, thumpity thump thump..." Wtf?

Transofmration jutsu, I imagine they put that one in there for fun lol. Plus they haven't revealed the combination so there will be fun in finding what it is lol.

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Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer

Did any one see the skill at the end called "Rabbit medium" the description was just "Thumpity thump thump, thumpity thump thump..." Wtf?

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Probably the "failed" Ninjutsu art.
Like, if you were to fail a combination, but still cast Ninjutsu, Rabbit medium would be the outcome, doing nothing but a wave of laughs coming from your team.

... Which is why I didn't think it was important to add that to my macro list :rolleyes: .

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Originally Posted by Fyce

If what I understand from the "Preview" Patch Note is correct, then these will be the basic macros :

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It's wrong. Symbols are (preliminary) off-cooldown abilities thus have ~1s cooldown. And thus these macro only will execute only first symbol and if you'll try to spam - ninjutsu will either fail or release a shuriken.

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Originally Posted by Felessan

It's wrong. Symbols are (preliminary) off-cooldown abilities thus have ~1s cooldown. And thus these macro only will execute only first symbol and if you'll try to spam - ninjutsu will either fail or release a shuriken.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You'll have to choose bewteen the multiple ways of doing a Ninjutsu and set the <wait> times accordingly.

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I did not put any /wait or <wait> command because we don't know the actual cooldown (would it be based on animation or something else).

Part of me hopes macros only result in the Rabbit Medium...

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Originally Posted by Fyce

I did not put any /wait or <wait> command because we don't know the actual cooldown (would it be based on animation or something else).

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base on the video tease and the info I the patch, my wild guess is 1 or 2 sec (but I am more sure about 1 sec CD)

Thought the c was half a second

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Part of me hopes macros only result in the Rabbit Medium...

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Hopefully so. Making macros for the skills defeats the whole point of the Mudra/Seal system entirely.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Hopefully so. Making macros for the skills defeats the whole point of the Mudra/Seal system entirely.

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Unfortunately tho, people are lazy. the less things they got to memorize the better

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Originally Posted by AzureZenorag13

Unfortunately tho, people are lazy. the less things they got to memorize the better

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No excuses! lol I'm with the camp of hoping macroing will insta fail. Please look forward to it !

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Originally Posted by Fyce

I did not put any /wait or <wait> command because we don't know the actual cooldown (would it be based on animation or something else).

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Missed this part.
Anyway, I would strongly advise against using wait command in macros for offcooldown abilities as they either fails very often or you need to put excessive number (like 1.5 sec) to ensure their activation.
Both will lead to significant loss of DPS.

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Originally Posted by Leonus

Thought the c was half a second

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Minimum cooldown (for offcooldown abilities) is around 1 sec

Macroing the mudras would eliminate the ability to weave them in between GCD abilities and significantly gimp your dps.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Macroing the mudras would eliminate the ability to weave them in between GCD abilities and significantly gimp your dps.

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You can't weave them anyway it says if you use another skill it cancels.

I'm planning on macroing them as part of a chotbar change, so instead of relying on the macro screwing up with wait times it just changes hotbar to the next skill leaving every other skill in place, with the last one 'Ninjitsu' changing back to Chotbar 1.

It could be set to copy like i do with sch and smn but that will cause issues if you have to stop a ninjitsu half way through, with change you can tap R1 and be back to hotbar 1.

Both Viper and wasp will be macro'd onto one button like i do with earth and fire on monk, that way you can easily switch between the 2.

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Originally Posted by Vire

You can't weave them anyway it says if you use another skill it cancels.

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From what people have stated, you can safely squeeze two in one GCD, so I'd say it means it's a 1 second CD...

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Macroing the mudras would eliminate the ability to weave them in between GCD abilities and significantly gimp your dps.

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From the Preliminary Patch Note:

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Ninjutsu
Executes a specific ninjutsu action coinciding with the combination of mudras made immediately beforehand.
If any other ability, spell, or weaponskill is used before the mudras are combined and the ninjutsu executed, the action will fail.
The recast timer will begin cooldown upon ninjutsu execution, or when a mudra timer runs out.
Shares a recast timer with the mudras Ten, Chi, and Jin.

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So, yeah, you really can't do anything else beside your Mudras combo before Ninjutsu according to this statement.

That said, since you can't queue up skills with macros, you'll probably have a slight delay on the execution of a complete Ninjutsu art. So, if someone is good enough to remember everything without the use of macros, that NIN will probably have a slight advantage over a macro user.

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Originally Posted by Vire

You can't weave them anyway it says if you use another skill it cancels.

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Ohhhh ok. Didn't read carefully I guess. Thanks for clearing that up. I think part of the fun is going to be in manually executing the mudras like a "true" ninja.
/NinjaNerdgasm

In relation to my previous post, heres how I intend to set up my hot bars and macros.

http://imgur.com/a/sbZOu

Mudra Macros are a surefire way to summon the failbunny.

The shared cd on mudras are 0.5 seconds, which also includes queueing for latency. You have enough time between gcds if you're good enough to get a ninjutsu off, however that gcd is just short enough to make macros mess up. Especially if you're a keyspammer--cause then you'll send '/ac Jin' repeatedly to the server. If it queues up /ac Jin while /ac Jin is executing, you WILL bring Baddie the Bunny's hop of shame.