relics in 2.4

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10-25-2014, 02:29 AM
riktir

relics in 2.4

seeing that ilvl is going to be increased to ilvl 135 whats going to happen to the nexus and novos weapons? are they going to be dropped? or is there a next step on the way?
10-25-2014, 02:32 AM
Prototype909

Wait a patch and then they'll probably add the next step.
10-25-2014, 02:33 AM
Doki

Either they will mention something in the full patch notes on Tues, or we got to wait til 2.41 :(
10-25-2014, 02:35 AM
riktir

thank for your response :)
10-25-2014, 02:52 AM
Radacci

relic will fall behind anyway. it may be around 130 before expansion.
10-25-2014, 03:07 AM
Alukah

Relic will prob become i120 in 2.45, i130 in 2.5 and i135 in 2.55-2.58.
10-25-2014, 03:09 AM
Eggnook24

Remember, relics will almost always be second best.
10-25-2014, 03:20 AM
Estellios

Considering this is the Zodiac weapon quest and we haven't gotten Zodiac weapons yet I think it's safe to say that there are more upgrades coming.
10-25-2014, 03:54 AM
Skyl1n3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radacci

relic will fall behind anyway. it may be around 130 before expansion.

All weapons fall behind eventually.

OP: They will more than likely release the next Relic upgrade stage in 2.41/2.45 with an ilvl of 120/125, then the next stage after that in 2.48/2.5 with an ilvl of 135/140, and by that time Coil will be no more.
10-25-2014, 04:12 AM
Ultimatecalibur

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyl1n3

All weapons fall behind eventually.

OP: They will more than likely release the next Relic upgrade stage in 2.41/2.45 with an ilvl of 120/125, then the next stage after that in 2.48/2.5 with an ilvl of 135/140, and by that time Coil will be no more.

I'd bet on it being a bit more spread out. 2.4X will likely end with the max relic ilvl being 125 making running CT3 for Augmented Ironworks Weapons viable at 2.5's release. 2.5X will likely get the relics up to 135+.
10-25-2014, 04:15 AM
Fornix

It's as if some people simply forgot that the relic weapon only very recently came on par with the T9 weapon, despite the T9 weapon being in the game for over half a year already :p.
10-25-2014, 04:16 AM
Zumi

Looks like they won't introduce the 120 or so until 2.45 to let people who do coil get ahead on the weapon game again.

Prob be like
2.45 - ilvl 120
2.5 - ilvl 130
2.55 - ilvl 135
10-25-2014, 04:30 AM
Alx789

I am not sure that the new low level i110 weapon should require the same amount of efforts and gil to get it as i110 relic. If they keep the relic way from 90 to 110 unchanged no one will be motivated to do it.
10-25-2014, 05:02 AM
Radacci

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alx789

I am not sure that the new low level i110 weapon should require the same amount of efforts and gil to get it as i110 relic. If they keep the relic way from 90 to 110 unchanged no one will be motivated to do it.

they are boosting atma drop rate, and reducing Animus book cost, 1500->500...
10-25-2014, 05:27 AM
Skyl1n3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zumi

to let people who do coil get ahead on the weapon game again.

Yup, can't upset 'those people' like they did in 2.0 pre-Allagan Weapon Buff.
10-25-2014, 05:32 AM
Ecks007

Only the Preliminary Patch Notes have been released so far. Just because there isn't any relic quest information there, doesn't mean it won't be included with the full patch notes.

With FCoB being released, you can almost count on a new step in the Relic Quest.

Nexus brings us to i115. We'll need something to up us to i120/125, and probably wait til 2.5 for i130/135 relic.
10-25-2014, 05:57 AM
MasamuneBranford

Genuine friendly advice: For those looking to start their relic with the atma nerf, from an efficiency standpoint, I'd rush to get to the Novus phase ASAP. Novus (and Nexus to an extent) is a great place to be upon the release of new tomestones as your daily progress towards Novus (expert roulette) will also see that you max-out your weekly Poetic Tomes (two birds with one stone). Atma farming and doing books is the worst - because your progress towards these are exclusive to upgrading your relic from 90 to 100 (during your atma farming, 27 dungeons, 900 mob kills, 27 fates and 27 leves) you'll earn minimal poetic tomestones at best.

That in my opinion is why the atma and animus phase are the worse. They are a huge time hog that can really cause you to fall behind if you only get an average amount of time to play each week.
10-25-2014, 06:46 AM
Alx789

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radacci

they are boosting atma drop rate, and reducing Animus book cost, 1500->500...

The way from 100 to 110 is a month at least. I dont think that it's real to get more than 3 alexandrites/day. 1.5-2 hours of hunt + expert roulette = 1crystall + 2 treasure maps and you will be unable to buy sold/allied seals gear at this time. Note that it's a way from bad to entry level weapon. Additionaly u will need to pay a tonnes of gil or spiritbond materia.
10-25-2014, 06:52 AM
MasamuneBranford

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alx789

The way from 100 to 110 is a month at least. I dont think that it's real to get more than 3 alexandrites/day. 1.5-2 hours of hunt + expert roulette = 1crystall + 2 treasure maps and you will be unable to buy sold/allied seals gear at this time. Note that it's a way from bad to entry level weapon. Additionaly u will need to pay a tonnes of gil or spiritbond materia.

I'm curious if alexandrite drop is being boosted from fates. If all of a sudden atma / alexandrite are dropping 1 per hour, then fates might be a pretty realistic approach for Novus.
10-25-2014, 07:14 AM
Alx789

Drop rates doesn't solve this problem. In my world 11+8 pieces of tier IV materia can cost 8-9M gil approx. it may be not terrible to pay such amount of gil for hi-end or near it item but not for entry level one.
10-25-2014, 07:18 AM
Alukah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alx789

Drop rates doesn't solve this problem. In my world 11+8 pieces of tier IV materia can cost 8-9M gil approx. it may be not terrible to pay such amount of gil for hi-end or near it item but not for entry level one.

You don't need materia IV for novus, secondary stats aren't that important.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You can not use any tier 4 and the whole process costs less then 200k. There are accuracy caps in the game. You can put 2 stats you want and accuracy, and thus use less accuracy pieces in your gear set and go for other stats.

I wouldn't say less than 200k, well depends on the server, here you would still end up spending 500-600k, but it's still better than over 10m with materia IV with a really irrelevant stat loss.
10-25-2014, 07:25 AM
Zumi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alx789

Drop rates doesn't solve this problem. In my world 11+8 pieces of tier IV materia can cost 8-9M gil approx. it may be not terrible to pay such amount of gil for hi-end or near it item but not for entry level one.

You can not use any tier 4 and the whole process costs less then 200k. There are accuracy caps in the game. You can put 2 stats you want and accuracy, and thus use less accuracy pieces in your gear set and go for other stats.
10-25-2014, 07:28 AM
Ramesses

Quote:

Originally Posted by riktir

seeing that ilvl is going to be increased to ilvl 135 whats going to happen to the nexus and novos weapons? are they going to be dropped? or is there a next step on the way?

The next stage from Nexus just might be called Edelweiss... dunno
10-25-2014, 08:08 AM
Alx789

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zumi

You can not use any tier 4 and the whole process costs less then 200k. There are accuracy caps in the game. You can put 2 stats you want and accuracy, and thus use less accuracy pieces in your gear set and go for other stats.

I wrote about Phoenix world.
Crit materia IV costs 400K ±
Det materia - 600K