More power to FC Masters!

HI all!
Yesterday our FC made the Gil to buy the BIG land.

Oh well, I sure were happy of that, so I had proceed to make all it is needed to make the switch, as removing all furnitures, remove hall, and release old land.

Well, I found odd things in the process:

• Cannot remove stable: Yes, I can kick out the FC my members, with their chambers and chocobos, but I cannot remove a Chocobo from a stable. Do I really have to kick a member out the FC only because I need his Chocobo out the stable? I know Gridanians loves a lot the Chocobo. It maybe a protected race?...
• Cannot remove Private Chambers: Yet again, I can kick out the FC my members, with their chambers and chocobos, but I cannot delete a chamber. Again, only option is kick the member out the FC.

The option of wait members login and ask them make the changes, is sure good thing, but I never know when members login, and on top of that, I will never know if the available land will be bought by someone else in the while, I had to act timely.

I think the FC Masters needs have full righs over all things that can stop the land disposal process.

When you remove a private chamber, all the items inside it are lost aren't they? I would be very upset if I logged in and my FC leader decided to nuke my room without talking to me.

Have you tried talking to the FC members?

Unfortunately that would be very easily abused. As it stands an FC Master can be a troll if they want and throw a fit and kick someone, breaking their Private Rooms and booting their chocobo. What you're asking would be the ability to just randomly break peoples' rooms (the cho thing isn't as big a deal). If I didn't log in for a day or two due to RL and came back to my room broken because my FC Master was too antsy about the new land plot to wait for me to collapse my own room I'd be kind of pissed. You can recover more of your stuff if you destroy your own room. The proper way to handle this situation is to gauge when you're likely to get the gil and tell people to pre-emptively leave their rooms and remove their birds.

I can see why this may be wanted but can also see how easy it would be to abuse. As a leader of a more medium sized FC, it was simple enough for us to just ask no one to buy a room while we were saving up for the plot of land that we were after as when rooms where added we could see the issues that may have cropped up if we managed to hit that amount of gil then not been able to purchase the land due to a room being bought. All I can suggest is you talk to your FC members and hope that they understand that your trying to upgrade the house. FC's are generally about working together towards a goal of some sort so most members should be understanding. I suppose in a large FC though things could be more confusing xD

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Originally Posted by Lithera

You can recover more of your stuff if you destroy your own room.

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You can? I didn't think there were ANY furnishings that could be recovered once placed... At least, all of the furnishings that I've placed so far have given me the "Once placed can never be recovered" message.

Unless there are removable furnishings I just don't know about, while it'd be polite for the FC leader to let folks know before changing properties, the end result is you're still gonna lose everything in your room. Should FC leaders really be stymied in this kind of thing just because one of their members went on a month-long hiatus or something? Just as with the absurd situation that used to exist where you can't kick someone from a FC if they had a room, it's pretty absurd that you can't disband your property if someone in your FC has a room.

Ideally, SE should recognize that FCs may want to change properties, and provide a method for doing so that preserves everyone's room. Perhaps this will one day be a feature.

Why would you need to do any of these, individually?

I would definitely be waiting to speak with all the people who have private rooms, are they able to afford another? If not is the price of these rooms included in your funds for new housing? As a FC leader you should make sure no one is going to be upset with the move, I'm sure not being able to afford another private chamber is a possibility for some players. Speak to them all first to avoid any upsets.

Edit: perhaps put up a msg on the FC msg board, and/or send moogle msgs to anyone on your friends list, appoint someone who is on during different times than you to help contact people.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

You can? I didn't think there were ANY furnishings that could be recovered once placed... At least, all of the furnishings that I've placed so far have given me the "Once placed can never be recovered" message.

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Are you sure that didn't say you can longer put the item up for sale? Many things can be picked up unless it required a a special drop to make. From a primal or something.

To the OP. You are the leader of an FC did you not think to put up a post one week in advanced on your message boards or even in your FC message of the day? I sure hope you didn't just boot those people.

I can't think of any good reason why it was made so convoluted. Personal room and FC house states could easily be retained, and it should be a 1 or 0 to denote whether they're currently available. Leave/get booted from a FC? No access to room, but as soon as you join a new FC or buy your own house and add a room, there it is again just like you left it.

I think I were quite misunderstood.

About how I manage my fellow Members, it is an internal thing, but to let you at ease, everyone was prepared to lose their chamber as long as everyone was happy to move to the big Housing.

The thing I found odd, if that I were stopped in the land disposal process by the very trivial things, as removing a chocobo stable, and destroy private chambers.

I don't understand of what "abuse" are you talking of:
as the FC leader, I can right now kick you, your chocobo out the stable, and your room in a simple FC dismissal. Only remove a room an abuse? Destable your chocobo then, what abuse is?

Being able to just delete your room and make your chocobo out the stable, is a limited version of the full kicking out the FC and is no more abusable as the FC admin powers are.

If really you fear that a FC admin can remove room, but are OK with being able be kicked out (you AND your room), thats fine to me. If that the case, Let the land dismissal process do all things automatically, as removing furnitures, destroy the ones not recoverable, remove the chambers and the hall. I just need a warning, "hey! if you do this, this and that happens! are you ok?"

I am going to get the best land plot available in game: the hell! I am one millions times OK!

Here is a little out of box thinking to work around the problem. It is bit of logistics mess and pain in the butt. But you are the FC master right. You create an alt and make the alt master of your current FC. Now you leave and form your FC.version2 and have the people who are on all join there. Transfer the funds and assets over and move everything else and members over. And for the people that are offline, they should get a message from your FC message board to move over and you set a date for kicking the people out that don't respond. And then you can sell off the old lot and close down the old FC.

I had the same problem as the OP. I chose to boot the missing members and reinvite them next time they logged on. I sent them all messages letting them know what was up.

You don't lose items if you had a personal room and get kicked, they go to the Resident Caretaker. The same could happen if a room was deleted. The argument that an FC leader could abuse the power doesn't make sense to me when an FC leader can just kick someone out of the FC - which to me seems like it could be the ultimate abuse of power. But then, players should be wary when they join FCs anyway. There's always the chance that an FC leader will take the FC in a different direction or abuse their power or do some other thing you don't like. Spending 300k on a private room in an FC was, is, and always will be somewhat of a risk.

All of my members knew we were saving for a larger house (I posted about it all the time). Some chose to spend 300k on a room anyway (it's really not that much gil). Maybe they thought it would be a really long time before we had a larger house? I bought a private room and that's what my reasoning was (thought saving might literally take forever). Regardless, people get bored, take breaks, have a life to live, whatever. Plots are limited and there is competition for them. It's likely that when 2.4 comes out, plots will start at their old, un-devalued prices. If you're running an FC, do you want to take the risk of having to pay 80m instead of 40m for a large house? All because you have no clue when so-and-so will log in again?

FC leaders need these options. I run my FC as though it is everyone's FC. I try to give everyone a say in what goes on and let members do things like garden, decorate, choose FC buffs, etc. But at the end of the day, leaders are usually going to be the most invested in the FC. Not to say that a member can't be as invested or even more so but typically a member can just leave and go join another FC whenever they want. I can't think of a single FC on my server where the leader of an FC wouldn't be out more time and gil if the FC didn't work out.

So I'll just reiterate, FC leaders need these options. They run the FC and these options let them do their job. If people are concerned about that, they can leave the FC or not even join it in the first place. Hopefully members trust their leaders with power. If you don't, I think you're in the wrong FC...

We had a similar problem when we recently upgraded to large.

We had to...

1) Remove/destroy all furniture.
2) Call a GM to remove someone from our house after kicking them from our FC and removing guest access from the house didn't work. Thankfully the GM could do this.
3) Kick various people from our FC who had private rooms.
4) Kick various people from our FC who had stabled chocobos.

It was ridiculous. Thankfully almost all of them have rejoined but some were never going to come back anytime soon, but their 'bos were still sitting there. It was mad. And then we finally could move, but urgh, painful to have to kick them all. We sent them Mogmail explaining to request a return to the FC as soon as they were back in, apologising and explaining. Everyone understood (and were delighted with the house, yay) but it shouldn't be that much of a chore.

EDIT: I should note that I don't think FC masters should have the right to just kick chocobos out of stables and/or remove private rooms. What I *do* think we should have the right to do is destroy our house/stables and have any required room/chocobo (respectively) removals done automatically as part of the house/stable destruction process. I think this would be less open to abuse.