Stupid(?) Question about PLD Novus

Getting close to my Novus, thinking about stats. Checked on a few of the PLD Novus threads.

I'm curious why skillspeed is rated so low by everyone - both in BiS gear and on the Novus. I do get the idea of hit hard, hit once. But isn't SKS also going to make effective enmity generation easier in much the way det/crit builds are, but via faster rotation through enmity generating abilities? Isn't it also going to make it easier to ensure I have Shield Bash when I need it and I'm not stuck on GCD (seems to happen a lil' bit at the moment, could just be I'm not pro PLD yet but there are lag elements to this as well).

I'm leaning towards det/sks/acc on my Novus. Why would this be 'wrong' in the common forum minmaxing wisdom?

The problem with skill speed is that it takes a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE number of points to have a significant effect.

And I don't think that skill speed has any effect on off-GCD skills so your Spirits Within will still be up after 30s.

That is pretty much the reason that I expected to hear. :O

I might forge mindlessly ahead to try it anyway. Can always rebuy Curtana via the Salvager and start over, right? -.-;;
There was this moment back when I was levelling Arcanist (still haven't gotten it to 50 yet) and I was doing a low-level dungeon with a fully-leveled and geared out Scholar, and his (same) spells went by SO MUCH faster than mine. I think probably the effect is greater than estimated.

After doing your Novus, you can "duplicate" the scroll to adjust you stat, so you won't hav to rebuild a Curtana from scratch ;)

I was only talking about skillspeed since I don't really play any caster.

Skillspeed, spellspeed, potayto, potahto.

Well, relevant for PLD's since Flash is a spell and not a skill, but OTHERWISE... ;)

Skill speed isn't that bad at all but one error and you lose its effectiveness because the gains are so small.

Warrior uses SS to fit in a 9th attack for berserk.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Skill speed isn't that bad at all but one error and you lose its effectiveness because the gains are so small.

Warrior uses SS to fit in a 9th attack for berserk.

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See, and that's another great answer.
I can only say, I'd rather f*k up because I f*k'd up, and it wasn't the fault of my build/connection details.

That's still a really good point and it's something to consider. Hmmm!

Skill/spell speed is OK. Another issue with it is that it doesn't build efficiency like crit and det do. Speed makes you do more damage but you'll also burn more TP. Or mana, because of this BLM makes good use of skillspeed but on a WHM too much of it, without the supporting pie, can make longer battles harder.

Tanking Wars don't really need to worry about running out thanks to IB and pacification but I understand palys can have some issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Rbstr

Skill/spell speed is OK. Another issue with it is that it doesn't build efficiency like crit and det do. Speed makes you do more damage but you'll also burn more TP. Or mana, because of this BLM makes good use of skillspeed but on a WHM too much of it, without the supporting pie, can make longer battles harder.

Tanking Wars don't really need to worry about running out thanks to IB and pacification but I understand palys can have some issue with it.

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--Paladin has less of an issue with TP than WAR.

Basically all actions that a WAR performs rely on TP in a prolonged fight, for both mitigation (wrath for IB) AND enmity -- the need to spend TP is more or less constant. A PLD on the otherhand can routinely dump their MP into flash or self SS (*which they should be doing as is, especially in T8 and T9, or T7 solo-tank strat [after the first three adds]*). When you have sufficient enmity, do some other action to conserve enough TP for new mob pickup, and or for making it through the fight. If you're having to constantly halone to hold threat (other than on pickup), something is pretty much 'wrong'. (aka, people are not popping Quelling)


It's a common mistake of players to 'forget' that they have MP, and to never use it.

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Isn't it also going to make it easier to ensure I have Shield Bash when I need it and I'm not stuck on GCD (seems to happen a lil' bit at the moment, could just be I'm not pro PLD yet but there are lag elements to this as well).

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Shield Bash is on GCD, because you're supposed to be "timing" attacks and knowing in advance when they're coming. I think this is essentially by design and that the class is intended to think ahead-rather than 're-actively' tanking.

-Bottom line is as you're supposed to know approximately when an attack is coming, SS isn't going to help you that much in handling interrupts.

Stoneskin interrupts your combo and kills your DPS! I do cast it a few times in t9 but never in t6-8.

A more useful tip would be to swap into Sword oath during T6-8 when you have extra CDs available. Sword Oath > Rampart during T7 is a common one. No extra damage taken and you don't need to save it for anything.

PLD TP is really never an issue, if you are low so is your MNK/DRG/BRD and songs are incoming.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Stoneskin interrupts your combo and kills your DPS! I do cast it a few times in t9 but never in t6-8.

A more useful tip would be to swap into Sword oath during T6-8 when you have extra CDs available. Sword Oath > Rampart during T7 is a common one. No extra damage taken and you don't need to save it for anything.

PLD TP is really never an issue, if you are low so is your MNK/DRG/BRD and songs are incoming.

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^ This for sure, songs generally come very shortly after you reach 100 TP. Just be creative, mix MP, and you never run out more or less.


In T9, I generally cast SS during the skill executed before Ravens, then re-cast again, expecting an auto before Ravens lands (thus preventing interruption from the auto-attack). You might call this compensating for the WHM's job, yet it works well.

In T8, you can pretty much either just flash-spam or self SS before you know the mine tower is going to pop + before you proc a tower (if you're going to proc a tower), or before a beam volley. That'll spend a good 2000+ MP over the course of the fight and give your TP a rest.

In T7 you can time the spawns of Renaulds and flash-spam between them whenever an add isn't on you .. or directly after the first 3 adds (which your TP should be hurting after, if you Halone spam the start of the fight until those adds die). Eg, during the archer phase.

Besides that, as the solo tank you're constantly turned around due to getting every voice, you can unload 1-2 flashes during this period on the add + boss, or boss. Or, turn a second early rather than waiting till the last second, then flash instead of a normal attack.

I am a skill-speed based PLD and have not looked back. You may check my character out for gearing.
I clear T9 in this gear setup. The difference between this set and full VIT accessories on the right hand side is just 30 VIT (but you lose all the other benefits of STR, skill speed and accuracy).
As you can see, i have sorta future-proofed my accuracy for 2.4 as well notwithstanding whatever new gear comes out in 2.4.

The philosopy in this gear set up is:
maximise skill speed as far as possible without sacrificing too much VIT.
Future proof accuracy for 2.4.
Ignore parry (i have none) because shield blocks proc often enough already at the block rate of an i110 novus shield
Accuracy first followed by determination (and not crit).

Don't wanna make a new topic so i'm gonna ask it here hope someone could give me a short answer:)

Full ACC/DET Is it worth the money?

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Originally Posted by Blitzace

Don't wanna make a new topic so i'm gonna ask it here hope someone could give me a short answer:)

Full ACC/DET Is it worth the money?

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Full ACC/DET is best. If you can afford it, yes its worth the money.

Full DET is the way to go for most classes. However you should wait before maxing out ACC.

Patch 2.4 is next week and you might not need maxed out ACC on your relic. Unless money is not an issue then go for it :)