Lazy retainers

Okay, so I leveled both my retainers to lvl50 miner and lvl50 botanist. Getting them to 50 took at least a month. And I've heard that giving them good gear increases the chances of them bringing you a good item. So I gave them my BIS perfectly melded gear for both classes.

Since then I burned through estimated 400 venture coins and never have gotten an item that's worth more than 15k. And I also can't use my botanist/miner gear since they are wearing it all the time. Does the gear really influence the stuff they bring you? Cause so far I really can't tell any difference.

Anyone else has the same bad luck? Or are my retainers just lazy and useless employees?

The higher level gear allows for them to be sent out on the higher level hunts. Each range of hunts has their own selection of possible drops. I'm not sure if there's a listing or spreadsheet available somewhere which summarizes exactly what each hunt for retainers at a certain level at a certain job may drop.

you know that they can bring you anything

meaning you got less than 0.1% to actually get the thing you want

Supposedly it really does make a difference... Even when I send my poorly geared 50 GLA on quick ventures, it tells me I could get better stuff with better gear.

I don't thing things like melds do anything for the... Just ilvl... But I could be wrong

How does field ventures work with DoL if you need i80 for the highest rank venture?

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Originally Posted by Fornix

The higher level gear allows for them to be sent out on the higher level hunts. Each range of hunts has their own selection of possible drops. I'm not sure if there's a listing or spreadsheet available somewhere which summarizes exactly what each hunt for retainers at a certain level at a certain job may drop.

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All mine brings me back from lv40 exploration is Apkallu Down.. not much "exploring" going on there, he's hanging out at the beach then killing an Apkallu at the last minute to make it look like he was busy lol

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

you know that they can bring you anything

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Literally. Mine brought me a HQ Umbral Rock a couple of days back. If only he did that when I was actually mining them all those months ago.

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Originally Posted by Fornix

The higher level gear allows for them to be sent out on the higher level hunts. Each range of hunts has their own selection of possible drops. I'm not sure if there's a listing or spreadsheet available somewhere which summarizes exactly what each hunt for retainers at a certain level at a certain job may drop.

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Ah, does that also apply to quick ventures or only the 18h ones? Cause I'm only sending them on quick ventures, maybe that's where the problem lies.

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Originally Posted by Spetsnaz

How does field ventures work with DoL if you need i80 for the highest rank venture?

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DOLs have a Gathering-level requirement, not iLvl. That takes some melding, and mine have forager's gear as well.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Ah, does that also apply to quick ventures or only the 18h ones? Cause I'm only sending them on quick ventures, maybe that's where the problem lies.

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i send them on quick ventures when I am online and a big exploration before I log off for the night :)

If this is governed by RNG, and a pure one, then I got a bad news for you: It doesn't matter. ^^;

Gave them the bare minimum requirement of the highest venture, and cross your fingers. lol

My retainer likes to slap me in the face with house walls, roofs, furniture.... The sadist loooOOOooves putting more salt on my wound. Bring me plot permit for a change goddamnit!!!

They also seem to have an very obscene fetish for fish >.>

Mine keeps bringing me back furniture and I'm too poor to afford housing, I think he's mocking me...

I can just imagine my retainer running around peoples personal housing stealing their wardrobes, floor tiles and desks.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Ah, does that also apply to quick ventures or only the 18h ones? Cause I'm only sending them on quick ventures, maybe that's where the problem lies.

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To be fair, higher level gear is supposed to lean - not force, just lean - the random items towards more valuable from Quick Ventures.

However, Quick Ventures are still really, really random. You can get almost anything in the game - high level unique pieces of gear you won't see, for instance, like Relics or High Allagan - but you can see the furnishing material drop from Turn 9 for instance*. ...Or Malm Kelp.

* (This is the most valuable thing I've heard of having been brought back by Quick Ventures, and to my knowledge goes for 2 million plus on most servers)

Higher gear does allow you to do more Hunting/Gathering ventures and the 18h Field Exploratoins, however, and the higher tiers of that provide better results. More importantly they provided consistent results, as they're either fixed items or from extremely small pools of possible items.

http://www.xivnomnom.com/wp-content/..._retainers.png

From another thread about what retainers bring back. Atleast we know now.

My poorly geared BTN retainer has brought me an Inferno Horn on a quick venture before. I think it's mostly luck/RNG. But the higher gear does make them able to bring back better items supposedly.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

All mine brings me back from lv40 exploration is Apkallu Down.. not much "exploring" going on there, he's hanging out at the beach then killing an Apkallu at the last minute to make it look like he was busy lol

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loled irl :)

Better gear improves the chances of getting something good from Quick Ventures - but your odds of actually seeing anything awesome are still pretty darned low. I don't think I've even come close to breaking even on what it cost to deck out my DoL retainers.

All mine ever gets me is an ink and quill.
I seriously wonder if she is robbing shops in Ul'dah or something.

My 2 DoL retainers are wearing almost BiS (their own, i have my own BiS set), and have been since about a month after retainer ventures came out. So over 6 months. I just finally got the Tiny Tapir minion yesterday.

RNG :mad:

My retainers on quick ventures always get me $#*()@ fish, despite them not being a fisher. At other times, they can get me ilvl70 gear.

My retainers aren't lv 50 yet, but is it better to send them on quick ventures or the exploration ones?

also, what is the best way to earn ventures? daily beast tribes?

I would do the highest exploration one that is avaliable, but It's been a while, I think the cost per venture was better that way.

To earn ventures, the daily beast tribe works, as well as hunting down the leves that give you ventures for their completion, or buy them off of your Grand Company.

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Originally Posted by SalemP

My retainers aren't lv 50 yet, but is it better to send them on quick ventures or the exploration ones?

also, what is the best way to earn ventures? daily beast tribes?

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Do you hunt? 5 ventures for 10 seals. GC is 5 ventures for 1500.

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Originally Posted by Alipoprocks

Do you hunt? 5 ventures for 10 seals. GC is 5 ventures for 1000.

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fixed that for you ;)

My fc's mate's retainer brought back 2 pure white dye .. The retainer is ilv 88 archer

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

And I also can't use my botanist/miner gear since they are wearing it all the time.

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They only need Gathering. Make another set and meld only Gathering to cap on it. It's relatively inexpensive. Buy another lv50 tool from calamity salvager if you haven't already.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Better gear improves the chances of getting something good from Quick Ventures - but your odds of actually seeing anything awesome are still pretty darned low. I don't think I've even come close to breaking even on what it cost to deck out my DoL retainers.

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My retainer is ilv 95 and he just brings me fish..just fish

Can the new sets of dyes be sold in the MB? relegating their purchase via retainer quick venture was a bad move.

Sure, quick venture is "easier" but its pure range :(

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Originally Posted by myahele

Can the new sets of dyes be sold in the MB? relegating their purchase via retainer quick venture was a bad move.

Sure, quick venture is "easier" but its pure range :(

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No, you can't list them on mb, or give them to anyone else, they are tagged as untradable.

What do you expect from your retainers? You are only paying them 2 venture coins at can not even be used at Chuck E. Cheese's.

I've gotten tin coins, fishes, or worse. But I've also been pleasantly surprised by a Vanya Robe that I sold for 150K, 2 moogle grimoires, Ultima amulet, and many other odds and ends I was able to sell for 15K or more. But yes, it is RNG, and most of the time the stuff be lucky to sell for 500 gil.

Both of my retainers just brought me a HQ Striped Goby. Now if only they could bring me those new dyes.

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

My retainer likes to slap me in the face with house walls, roofs, furniture.... The sadist loooOOOooves putting more salt on my wound. Bring me plot permit for a change goddamnit!!!

They also seem to have an very obscene fetish for fish >.>

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Hello I'm Troy McClure, you may remember me from ventures like "Dig Your Own mineral and Save” and “The Erotic Adventures of the Miqo'te retainer”.....

I guess mine are special, barely at level 10 she brought me a lv4 materia that sold for 70k

And now and then I get an item that can sell for 20 to 60k.

My retainer is an i82 arcanist and usually brings me fish or housing materials, which discourages me. But then she'll bring me a Raging Vortex Couch or Ultima Ring of Slaying or the Leviathan fountain, so I keep sending her out. What is that called, Gambler's fallacy? :P I always hope, "This time she'll bring me something cool."

Ive gotten where I just use my lancer retainer for quick ventures primarily and my miner gathers whatever resource is selling well. So the DoW one is my RNG gamble one and the DoL one I can make 10-15k gil per venture based on the level she's at. The more interesting quick venture items I've gotten include a Tonberry Chandelier which I sold for a few hundred thousand gil (since my private room has a Morbol chandelier already) and I got some Manor/Stone Vigil furniture which were in the 100k+ range on marketboard but I kept because I figure gil comes and goes but particularly valuable furniture that comes my way via that route has more meaning to me vs if I bought it.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

However, Quick Ventures are still really, really random. You can get almost anything in the game - high level unique pieces of gear you won't see, for instance, like Relics or High Allagan - but you can see the furnishing material drop from Turn 9 for instance*. ...Or Malm Kelp.

Higher gear does allow you to do more Hunting/Gathering ventures and the 18h Field Exploratoins, however, and the higher tiers of that provide better results. More importantly they provided consistent results, as they're either fixed items or from extremely small pools of possible items.

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HA? really? :p

And no, your retainer still can bring you lots of craps even with highest gear equips.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

My retainer is an i82 arcanist and usually brings me fish or housing materials, which discourages me. But then she'll bring me a Raging Vortex Couch or Ultima Ring of Slaying or the Leviathan fountain, so I keep sending her out. What is that called, Gambler's fallacy? :P I always hope, "This time she'll bring me something cool."

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Nah, it's only the Gambler's Fallacy if, after getting Malm Kelp twenty times in a row, you tell yourself, "Well, I've gotten crappy stuff twenty times in a row - that means that I'm due for something great on the next run!"

As long as you understand that past results have no bearing on future gambles, you're not falling victim to the fallacy!

Just quietly curse your retainer's name under your breathe after they give you another damn fish/furniture/entire house before you send them off on another quick exploration again.*

Within the next few ventures they'll feel bad for disappointing you time and time again and bring you some of that new rare dye or some reasonably/extremely valuable crafting item they mugged somebody for. Works 99% of the time for me.

*For extreme disappointment, send them off on an 18h exploration when you don't even need to log off yet. That'll show 'em for wasting your time.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

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Does she bring you these things from field exploration or quick ventures? I have one retainer that I send out regularly on field exploration, but he doesn't really bring me anything of note. He's only lv 37 though. My other one isn't geared high enough to send on the highest ones so I'm not bothering until I can get her geared properly. Should I be sending them on quick ventures instead? I'm worried I'll run out of ventures if I do that :P

both my retainer are ilvl 80+ (ACN/ CNJ) the most valuable item they ever brought back was

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/e4e...45ea453e_2.png

lately, they have brought back nothing but item that is less than 300 gils on MB