How you learnt you primal/coil fight?

You all know, nowadays almost all PF groups require previous kill to get in.

But, how you all have learnt the way to the kills? Show your nasty secrets!

Will start with myself: reading some guide on the interwebb, then if cannot do with FC for some reason, done DF to death :o

Not to mention, sometime going blindly to feel the awesomeness to learn things myself :cool:

Open Party finder and create a training party ?

Watched a video then queued in DF, practice makes perfect.

Its like playing Dark Souls 2, watching boss videos then going "That looked so easy, I don't die" then gone in an got beaten to a pulp, videos and guides can only teach you so much because you will have your own personal tricks to help with the fight.

Watched a video to get the most basic understanding of the fight's mechanics, joined a learning group until I was comfortable with the mechanics or got a win.

It doesn't take that long really, I picked up T6 in about...10 tries or so. All I ask is that if you, personally, insist on going in blind, please make a group specifically for that. There is nothing in the world more frustrating to six people who are trying to get comfortable with mechanics than watching two people who have no clue what they're doing wipe the whole group twenty times to the same thing because they have no idea why they should do what everyone else is trying to teach them to do.

For the high tier content (EX Primals, coil), I've used MTQcapture - her videos are fantastic at explaining the fights, and while a lot of them have a whole lot going on you at least see everything and can be like "oh! That thing popping up, I'm supposed to do this, right?" ; you can always ask your first group for clarity on things.

(I get the whole 'go in blind' mentality btw, but if you're going to start by just asking someone to explain before the fight begins, please try looking it up yourself first or asking players before queueing up - there are amazing resources like the above that will teach you more than a few garbled lines of attempted explanation from party members, nevermind the like 15 minute delay while we try to explain when we could be getting in actual practice.)

As for getting actual experience, groups with my Free Company are vastly preferred, although if that's not an option I'll also hawk over Party Finder groups. Learning are preferred for first experiences, and generally I find that if you've spent a couple hours in learning groups without success or have come really close, mentioning that to the leader of a group that's looking for a clear party will usually get you a pass. "Haven't cleared Titan EX but have survived through a full final phase cycle, can I come along?"

Well basically, go in: trial and error.. Not much to know when content is brand new.

When there are vids/guides up you could check those. When you try to tackle content right off the bat, there is no info other than other groups willing to share their experiences. This for me gives me the best MMO experience.

Ho well, about going blind, yes it needs be done properly. I were used to "server first" somewhere else so that the reason I'd like sometime revive that awesome moments where you don't know anything of what's ahead. Today is almost impossible, as long as now you get in with groups that, even if DF, most players already know things.
But go blind and go careless are two distinct things. If I learn that killing the turtle is bad, I will never kill the turtle again. When someone headlessly will continue to kill that ***** turtle, here we have a problem :)

fighting everything with my static til i get a kill ( sometimes we farm but not always except coil we farm always )

then start PF with kill EXP required if im still not done of farming

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

But go blind and go careless are two distinct things. If I learn that killing the turtle is bad, I will never kill the turtle again. When someone headlessly will continue to kill that ***** turtle, here we have a problem :)

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The problem is that, some ppl cant read, it's ok to not know how to do, but I already saw a tank dpsing the turtle for a while, I was saying him to stop, and, it's a good thing that he wasn't dodging, I just let him die, and it worked.
Now, I'm wondering if he was not simply a bot, someone cant be that stupid... Seeing that he's dying and still not dodging... why ?

For me, I learned at begining with videos, already was cleared when I came.
For Second coil after, learned with guide, when they came (there is always group that clear faster that write guides)

And for the " news primals ":
Leviathan : Went 3-4 times in HM, went in Ex after, cleared fast coz this one is too easy
Moggle : Just watch a video once, not too many things to know, just some dispel to do and things to dodge at middle (If you stay there, I prefered staying there to be in range to heal everyone)
Ramuh : Yolo, learning with my team, didn't saw any guide before we cleared (maybe there was one, didn't search), it's not a fight hard to understand, but it's sill not simple.

videos dont work for me, i learn MUCH better through experience. ill play the fight without videos and usually general tips from friends...im a quick learner so at the sake of those raging people in DF who expect me to at least watch a video. i usually pick up on mechanics after one or two times i wipe to it and watching how other players in my group do it. s'not too hard for me to have situational awareness, as opposed to watching a video that i forget in its entirety before i actually start the fight lol

I have watched a video for every primal and coil boss I have attempted mostly to have an idea of what moves to be aware of, then I practiced in DF runs or in "learning party groups" until I felt confident enough to down it in a kill party. Nothing beats first-hand experience though. Watch as many videos as you like... experience is best ^^;

Usually I went with some of my fc members/friends and join a pf after doing a little research on the fight. The videos and tips only do so much, of course; I learned pretty much everything else through the practice parties. At least that's how I did it for the primals (up until ramuh ex).

For coil, I joined a static in the fc. I did my research and did my learning wipes. Eventually the clear happens.

When ramuh ex happened, we tried using party finder, but it became apparent that we were just too nice. Yeah... eventually we had to start making stricter requirements for our pf and replacing people that were clearly holding us back. There was only so much you could learn about the fight when you never get past the add phase...

So yeah, it was pretty much always watch a vid, take a group of friends, use party finder, wipe repeatedly.

My 1 Coil party was in need of PLD , they was shout about hour w/o sucess . I was never been in Coil before but watched tonn of vids , then i asked pt leader if he want to try out with me and... welp Cadusceus been downed after long night of tries :D After this win - for T2 to T5 i already gathered partyes myself :D
Ultima - downed 1st day of release in DF lol.
Garuda in friends PT (garuda Exp was getting in DF) , Titan took super long time (downed in PF with great chunk of luck with party cuz i <3 to catch plume or 2), Ifrit in DF in few attempts only (After Titan - Iffry is nothing)
Mog/Levi - DF (after echo)
Ramuh & coil 2 - still waiting for me D; (feel shame)

Goin in blind and learning as I go along. Great fun.

For both primals and coil I went in like a boss...

Jk. Primals I went in blind on all accounts. No reason whatsoever to vid those. T5^ I tried to glean info from vids but to be honest I adapt better when I can do it hands on. Still haven't cleared SCoB admittedly but there are worse things. I at least got to experience some of it before the nerf bat :)

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Originally Posted by Artiste

someone cant be that stupid... Seeing that he's dying and still not dodging... why ?

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Never underestimate stupid XD

With FC for learning fights when it's new and going in blind. Albeit SV HM I did on first day through DF as tank and figured it out pretty easy. Albeit last boss, did it by getting both mobs low then killing together, over-complicated it. XD

DF it till I learn mechanics

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

For the high tier content (EX Primals, coil), I've used MTQcapture - her videos are fantastic at explaining the fights, and while a lot of them have a whole lot going on you at least see everything and can be like "oh! That thing popping up, I'm supposed to do this, right?" ; you can always ask your first group for clarity on things.

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I use her vidoes too! They're great, concise but with all the info.

After that, I sometimes watch the kill video (if it's linked) mostly to get some tips on what their WHM is doing, and then I start PF training groups. I got my Levi and Mog Ex kill that way, but for T5-6-7, Garuda and Ramuh I had to ask my FC because training groups were never going anywhere past certain phases and it's impossible to join a kill group even if you're confident about the fight because of all the "myth message=disband" parties.

Grab my FC, or start a PF, faceroll until I know why we wiped, and repeat for each phase.

I don't watch a lot of videos anymore, it's not that I go in blind and enjoy the thrill of the unknown..which leads to dying.

If you want to prepare for primal and coils this is what I personally do and am doing for Ramuh & getting back into tanking.

Start at lesser content, work your way up. I know it sounds odd, but so far this is my thought process and it's worked fine for me, though you may have a different method.

Content in this game scales, what I learn from pervious fights I can, in one way or another, use on my next higher fight. In terms of Ramuh, take on the story mode fight..that's what I did for Levi, it gets you use to the basics. Of course there's people who just burn it and ignore mechanics, but those are bound to show up.

Discuss the fight with FC members. Videos are fine I'm sure they show you the fight but usually I get more detailed explanations on things I'm not 100% sure of from FC members...so communicate with friends and FC \ LS members.

Finally..start a learning party in PF..very basic, let them know there will be blood..oh yes. Then I move it to semi-learning, to clearing. And do things right, not the fast way. You're learning the content, the most harmful players I've ran into are the ones who try to rush it, whether it is because they are so use to it that they don't know how to backtrack, or they watched a burning video of how some over powered / players who know the fight very well did it and figure that's the right way. You have time in this game, that's why you're on. Take the extra few minutes in a fight if you can and win, rather than jinx it and try to shave off a few more minutes.

This seems like a tiring long process but in the end I'm so much better off for it rather than jumping into the content with both feet. I'm able to react much better to things and get to a point where I feel comfortable taking in multiple jobs. This is my process..so I don't expect it to be what others do.

As for coil, same deal but with a twist. Dungeon content & hests are wonderful tools too. Take the one where you have to kill everything at the same time or within a certain period of each mob dying, that's a great way to get use to the snakes dying at the same time in Turn 1.

Then the chit chat with other members makes up for the curve ball mechanics.

am i the only one who went "learnt? lol"