Currently, max DPS output is increased by using buffs like Raging Strikes or Quelling Strikes that have individual cooldowns. In raid instances like T9, This causes groups to wait for the cooldown to wear off, so the dps can start their perfect DPS rotation.
Wouldn't it be better that when a whole dungeon resets (all party members dead), all CDs get refreshed? This could save a lot of time for raiding groups that have a strict schedule.
"I need 2 minutes for Raging Strikes"
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10-07-2014, 09:07 PMD-vide"I need 2 minutes for Raging Strikes"
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10-07-2014, 09:08 PMsubteraneanbirdThey stated during one of the more recent Live Letters (at least I think it was a Live Letter) that this was likely to come soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-vide
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10-07-2014, 09:09 PMLord_Zlatan
then i could hallowed ground every time I'm about to die just for the hell of it. Or I could purposely die after using it a few pulls later so that its ready for the next one.
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10-07-2014, 09:12 PMD-videOh, that's actually really cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by subteraneanbird
Well, considering gear wear and the time it takes to respawn and get back to mobs, I wouldn't really consider this exploitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan
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10-07-2014, 09:16 PMsubteraneanbird
This would be in the context of "full party incapacitation" ie probably not during dungeon trash because if you release while someone is up its not a full party incapacitation. And if you do a groupwide wipe so you can HG over and over you're probably losing time overall.
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10-08-2014, 11:49 AMOoshimaIf anyone needs to abuse HG with full party incapacitation to clear a dungeon, the said player should just... uninstall the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by subteraneanbird
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10-08-2014, 11:58 AMSarcasmMisserI don't get it you're meant to use HG as you're about to die? The latter only makes sense in a 4man and lol at having to abuse HG there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan
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10-08-2014, 12:42 PMZumi
I would just pull the boss anyway not having a couple cooldowns is not going to make or break T9.
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10-08-2014, 01:08 PMVaer
While we're at it, when you enter a duty in the loading cutscene circle ring before it starts, it should reset all your cooldowns. People might be doing other things and then switch to the actual job to accept putting everything on cooldown.
Not a huge deal, but still annoying. -
10-08-2014, 02:22 PMGrey_CainEh, if I toss off a Bene and have to watch the target die yet again before it lands, giving me the heal instead, I'd like to at least get another shot at it the next round than have to go a round without it available. Between Bene and HG, it's fine to have a reason to actually use them when they could add a little something to surviving the current round instead of saving them for "next time" every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan
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10-08-2014, 03:16 PMsubteraneanbirdAgain, this is time wasted because you have to keep running back to where you were for the sake of 10 seconds of no healing required, because you have to wipe the whole party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan
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10-08-2014, 04:04 PMBreathlessTao
Schedules so strict 10 minutes extra would make the world end or something? Really? Gods forbid people could take a bathroom break or get a drink or just actually cool down in that 2 minutes? Really? Oh, the life-altering problems of pro hardcore raiders...
/sarcasm
(Like, I don't mean to troll, so please don't take it personally, but with the amount of objections and protests and general hostility the casuals' woes seem to get around here, I just can't help myself..... especially with the way this sounds, compared to some of those. Sorry not sorry.) -
10-08-2014, 05:09 PMabzoluutI don't think this is a hardcore vs casual raider issue. It just smoothens things out when you can pull when everyone is ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by BreathlessTao
Bathroom/getting a drink breaks happen in every group. It doesn't happen every time they wipe. Waiting for Raging Strikes, Perfect Balance and what not, does. The wait adds up.
I couldn't tell if your Loverboys FC (giggle) did any Coil. Maybe you are in a Coil static. If you're not, not only is your statement very blunt, it also lacks all kinds of frankness which leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about. -
10-08-2014, 06:10 PMErinWebbI'm in the same static. It's not like we're hardcore or strict, but we like to maximize our T9 time, and standing around for two minutes just to make sure we get the DPS we should is very very boring. After doing T9 for around two months, it also adds up to quite a few minutes wasted, just staring at the boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by BreathlessTao
We eventually stopped doing it completely, but it's still very annoying if we have an early death or if I activate a CD right before we wipe, and I would prefer not being afraid of using my CDs just in case something happens that looks like it could wipe us. -
10-08-2014, 06:14 PMsaeedaisspecialA few minutes wasted every wipe waiting on cooldowns adds up to a lot of time when learning new content. Please don't assume it's the odd 2 minute break and mock it as if everyone likes to stop-start-stop-start.Quote:
Originally Posted by BreathlessTao
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10-08-2014, 06:20 PMSensuQuelling Strikes does not increase dps though. Or does your brd/smn/blm have to use it to keep the boss from turning around and show someone other than the tank some love?Quote:
Originally Posted by D-vide
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10-08-2014, 06:40 PMErinWebbBoss takes a good cleave at the rest of the group if we don't start with quelling, and we use it multiple times during the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensu
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10-08-2014, 07:40 PMFornixThe DPS can also simply be less trigger happy and wait for the boss to be positioned. As most often snatching would occur as a boss is still being moved towards e.g. the back of the room on T9.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErinWebb
The moments during fights where it's needed, it's going to be off cooldown anyway. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to use it at the start of the fight to begin with. And on the primary target it's really not a necesarry skill to be used at all if the DPS doesn't pull early. If quelling strikes is required on the boss during the course of the fight then either there's a very large discrepancy in gear between the tank and DPS or the tank needs to improve rotation (by a lot).Quote:
Originally Posted by ErinWebb
As for the rest of the topic. Raging strikes also really isn't needed at the start of the fight during practise scenario's. It's not as if you're going to have an enrage timer to worry about anyway. You'll be dead long before that. -
10-08-2014, 09:54 PMTiggyThis. Unless you're farming the content and your win strategy banks on that damage then it doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
Granted I do think resetting on a full wipe would be rather nice. -
10-08-2014, 10:05 PMHakuroDK
I can certainly appreciate the idea of a CD reset on a full wipe, absolutely! I use a lot of CD buffs for my WAR, especially in difficult fights where healers are stretched to their limits. CDs like Foresight can be invaluable in the right circumstances.
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10-08-2014, 10:25 PMSinisterIsBack
It would definitely be welcomed, I hate looking at battle voice on CD for the start of T9. Its not needed but this is a quality of life thing that shouldn't be shunned away.
Also, a raging strikes could be the difference between 3/4/5 meteors -
10-08-2014, 10:31 PMD-videIt's odd how you're trying to analyse our strategies, while I'm trying to make a general point. You could easily apply it to early 2.4 groups wanting to pull through final coil. It's also related to stuff like Aetherflow or Warrior CD's. Not only Quelling or Raging Strikes are the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fornix
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10-08-2014, 10:36 PMGrotesque
In case of T9, we never waited except for aetherflow, because it doesn't matter how fast you push through phase 1, as long as the cooldowns are ready for golems. If there are 4 or 5 meteors doesn't matter at all. Yes, a forth beak is not nice, but then you have some really slacky dps. The most annoying part is progressing through the Divebomb phase, it takes almost 9-10 minutes per try to reach it, so you don't have that much tries on a 2,5h evening.
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10-08-2014, 11:21 PMNyneAlexanderAMEN. WTB "Megaflare Save Point"Quote:
Originally Posted by Grotesque
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10-09-2014, 04:48 AMErinWebbThe reason I mentioned multiple points of the fight was just for clarifying why it wouldn't be ready for every new try (which I should have clarified in my last post derp.) We could wait a few seconds with DPS, we could wait for quelling strikes to be ready, or we could get a QoL patch that makes us waste less time in general. Besides, it's not only about raging and quelling, it's about every cooldown. I don't see any reason as to why we shouldn't have cooldowns ready for the beginning of the fight, even if there's always a way to work around not having them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fornix
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10-14-2014, 08:02 PMSensuReally? Well, in our group no one uses it at the start and we open with all Cooldowns and Foe Requiem, sometimes pots. If the boss turns to cleave, then sorry, but your tank is definately doing something wrong (especially when a SMN should have to use it, lol). Or maybe he's got the right idea, but not executing it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErinWebb
Anyway, I agree with the Cooldowns needing to be "reset" when you're in between pulls. It's just alot better for progression, especially when you're getting used to a fight and sometimes you push the phases and sometimes you don't. This way you can always reach full potential. -
10-14-2014, 08:14 PMParodine
This would be very beneficial to healers as well. As WHM, because Benediction has like a 2 second animation (I could grumble about that, but I've already made threads in the past...) often times I'll have used it toward the end of a wipe whether on a dead person or no and it ends up on cooldown at the start of the next attempt...which is gives me less resources.