Every time I run this, I get slightly different directions on what how to pull these. What seems to work the best is to veer to the left of the Avatar, and pull, moving towards the right so he lands in the middle.
But there have been times where I've been asked to run straight through, grab mob, and pull down the center.
Now. The veering left began in part because the Dread randomly would cleave the party on it's way to the center. Though Someone kiting a tether complained as the dread ran through and cleaved him on the way to me.
So is there a most correct way? or is it just whatever works?
Turn 8 Tanking. Pulling Dreads
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10-04-2014, 09:21 AMSteadyTurn 8 Tanking. Pulling Dreads
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10-04-2014, 09:35 AMSeraviEdalborez
Stand almost in the very center of Avatar. Where a brainjack person might stand but so Avatar is still facing forwards.
Shield Lob dread when it pops. You'll be in range. Pop some cooldowns for hate generation if nothing else (even Tempered Will helps here), then move back a bit so the dread isn't cleaving whoever is going to do brainjack.
If you're having to spin avatar around or flip him 180, you're overcompensating. -
10-05-2014, 05:19 AMAshkendorThat comes down to your dps having situational awareness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steady
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10-05-2014, 08:05 AMSteadyI recall doing that once and the raid group taking damage, Which was why I went to the left, turning the boss 90 degrees away. Not sure if it was a heal following gas bomb (or w/e it's called) and it briefly turned... though it never lost aggro on my screen. Doing this doesn't turn the boss 180, But it does cause the dread to veer away from the party before being re-situated towards the center.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
I don't have issues with hate. I use thrill of battle for the extra enmity from the heal, for when it spawns. -
10-05-2014, 08:07 AMSteadyWas kinda my reply, but be blamed the veering left dread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
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10-05-2014, 10:28 AMSeraviEdalborezYou're only in the dead center to pick up the Dread with lob. You back up afterwards so it's on top of Avatar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steady
Healers need to try to not have Medica2 or Whispering Dawn up when Dread is about to pop. There's little need for it and it just makes hate more difficult. -
10-05-2014, 09:25 PMSirTaintQuote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
Yeah I always toss a voke after lob just in case there are too many Regens ticing.
I lob > voke > lob > Spirits > 1,2,3
the second lob is a waste of TP but my main job in the fight is the dreads. -
10-06-2014, 08:50 AMSteady
Appreciate the comments.
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10-14-2014, 07:13 PMXyphon
I like to lock the dread down so its stacked directly on top of the boss, perfectly lined up for my melee dps. The method of positioning listed above covered it pretty well. I tend to use this exact rotation:
Depending on what dread it is, I may have less time to prep buffs, such as 3rd dread. For me after the dread tower hits the last light, you have about 20 seconds till it pops.
My rotation is always starting with FOF:
Shield lob > provoke > shield lob > fast blade > scorn > savage blade > pop some def buff > halone.
I use provoke just as a lock down precaution, so my healers don't have to let up on healing and my dps can proceed to go balls to the wall. -
10-15-2014, 04:43 PMXenosysYou should pull the dread in a way which is most comfortable for you and will not allow the boss or dread to cleave the party, If dps bitch about not being able to get their positionals off You tell them to shut up and be more aware. Perfecting this will come with time and familiarity with the encounter. You never want to turn the boss towards the party. A simple Provoke>Shield Lob/Tomahawk will be enough to get his attention. Follow it up with your enmity combo. Only use provoke first though, if you are going to be following it up immediately with Lob or Toma or else your provoke will be wasted. Ideally you want the first move the dread ques up to be targeted at you, so if medica II is out or another heal is cast the dread will still run to you first even if heals pull for a millisecond. Stick with what you have been doing by veering to the left. It is the exact thing I do and works extremely well! The person pulling the tether should be aware of the massive dreadnaught. If not, then it's on them not you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steady
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10-16-2014, 01:24 AMSteady
Never had issues till we pugged the one bard who complained about it. But been trying the Brainjack distance pulls, though it's a fine line between being infront and behind the Avatar when your trying to get the dread. Though generally the Boss ain't really doing any mechanics during dread spawns. Anyhow. sadly it's the other mechanics I have no control over that usually cause my turn 8 problems.
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10-16-2014, 05:03 AMShenon
If you´re Healers know what theyre doing,then pulling the Dreads with a simple Provoke/Shield Lob is enough without you moving at all. My Group is standing between the Avatar and the Dread-Tower,so he is heading straight for me and stops inside the Boss. My Brainjack-Victim is slightly behind those two,so neither is moving an Inch during the Braindead-Phase (the best Spot for pulling the Dread on top of the Avatar is on the Red Target Circle around the Boss, for me anyway)
As i said,it largely depends on the Healers and your CD-usage during those few Seconds between the Spawn and the Moment the Dread is in Shield-Lob Range. -
10-17-2014, 06:12 AMRaineMagus
For PLD:
Personally I prefer to Provoke > FoF > Lob, rather than just lobbing. Provoke will keep the dread coming towards you for a single-tick (which covers FoF -- Clarification: Even if a healer 'cures' right then and you lose hate for a split second), is off GCD, and can be used as animation interrupt if you're mid RoH on the Avatar. This permits you to keep attacking till the last second without worry of screwing up.
Besides that, you shouldn't be dying anyway and so you don't have to be concerned with the need to provoke after a revive. If you "do" happen to go down, immediately cover the person with threat until provoke recharges. It won't soak all the damage, yet this can sometime keep them alive. (something had to be really wrong for you to be dead to begin with)
Like others have commented too: You MUST be standing close to the center of the avatar by the time that the dread reaches you (provoke or not). If you don't, and you get brainjacked, you may turn the dread around and kill the party with rotoswipe. -
10-17-2014, 06:17 AMSirTaint
I never get brainjacked during Dreads....must be a different strat? We only get 2 dreads total. The first Dread tower we just let auto tic until he pops. The 2nd dread tower we put 2 people into it and as soon as the first Brainjack wears off we force pop it with a 3rd person. Its dead long before the 2nd brainjack.
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10-17-2014, 06:23 AMRaineMagusWe always permit the dread tower to tick, rather than manual trigger. So that may be it in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirTaint
In the times where DPS are 'really fast', there's usually no issue and the dread goes down before brainjack happens. However, if DPS is delayed a bit I've seen brainjack while the dread is out ... in these cases I just pop an extra CD since I'm going to lose control.
Seen this happen in multiple raid teams, sadly.
**For a PUG, where you don't know how predictable damage is, definitely make sure the dread is around 20% through the boss (not stacked center). So that he doesn't rotate when you run to the center, and so that you don't kill the DPS that's doing brainjack too. -
10-21-2014, 02:00 AMRaffounz
buff preemptive, then provoke (it have a bigger range then lob) + Lob + scorn + rage of halone, rampart + convalescence then normal halone combo.
My first kill video guide here (sorry is in italian) (MT solo tank PoV)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRtXF1Qzr44