It's getting a little odd that there's no other way to obtain this material than by desynthesizing a glamour swimsuit. I want to say there's another way to obtain, but if a swimsuit is selling for over 1.4m and then the bottom is like....1.2 mil....something is way wrong on how to obtain the items for a swimsuit.
Leopard print or not, nothing glamour-wise should be worth over 2 mil.
Crafters hate me all you want, I'm a weaver myself with plenty of experience. I'm trying to craft my own, but I don't want to risk my Sea Breeze Halter on something that is insanely rare and then pour all sorts of money into a swimsuit on the markets on Balmung. It's just not right for glamour to be THAT EXPENSIVE.
Any chance of implementing a source for Waterproof Cotton?
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10-01-2014, 01:48 AMKIka93Any chance of implementing a source for Waterproof Cotton?
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10-01-2014, 01:56 AMZagam
There are many ways to get waterproof cotton, try doing some research first.
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10-01-2014, 01:58 AMTeryaani
I'm curious why these fish keep eating leopard print swimsuits. Also, why can my gatherer retainers bring back things that I can't find and I'm better geared than they are?
My understanding is that certain fish can be desynthed directly into this cloth. Information is kinda sketchy and I'm not yet to the point of being able to catch and desynth everything CUL yet.
I suspect you're going to get mixed reviews on your secondary premise. It's worth what people are willing to pay and people are willing to pay a lot for a vanity item (pets/glamour/etc). I may know that paving stones are stupidly cheap to make, but if someone is willing to drop 30k for them then I'm selling them for 30k. -
10-01-2014, 01:59 AMOdinEon
They are not selling the swimsuit for that much, you are buying a chance to get water proof cotton.
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10-01-2014, 02:04 AMKIka93
950k isn't much for 1 material?
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10-01-2014, 02:05 AMKIka93Olgoi and Sea Breeze halter. That's the only two I found after I did my research. Don't assume I didn't do research, otherwise I wouldn't be here right now dealing with this forum's toxic playerbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagam
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10-01-2014, 02:13 AMIceWinghttp://na.ff14angler.com/desynthesized/ scroll down to the bottom, there are 3 fish that supposedly drop the cotton.Quote:
Originally Posted by KIka93
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10-01-2014, 02:17 AMZagamYou posted you know of ONE way and cried and whined it was too expensive,and now you're trying to save face, there's way more than 1 fish btw but I don't help the lazy. And I bet you think you're not toxic too huh? posting whine threads when you don't know anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KIka93
Sorry if telling you the truth is toxic, maybe if more people did you wouldn't need your hand held. -
10-01-2014, 02:18 AMTeryaaniThis comes back to the premise of your thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by KIka93
It's one material that can only be gained by either desynthesizing fish until you have an absurd desynth score and then either catch or buy an stupidly expensive additional fish (which has a crazy catch condition) and pray to RNG gods that either a cloth drops, or a fishing suit drops that you can then, assuming you've desynthesized stacks of clothing, desynth into the cloth you want (preferably after placing an offering of cigarettes and bourbon on a Naoki Yoshida shrine).
And then do it again because you need two. -
10-01-2014, 02:30 AMIceWingYeah 950k is perfectly acceptable, http://i.imgur.com/XqhB9Yj.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by KIka93
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10-01-2014, 02:43 AMUrielparadox
Culinary/fishing desynth is the easiest craft to lvl. I got mine to 60 just desynthing trash fish I got while lvling. I've got plenty of bait left over to keep going to 80+. Just doing goldsmith desynth first. Which gold desynth cost hundreds of thousands of Gil or much more time gathering up the mats required. Don't try and use desynth as an excuse, especially when it's the easiest one to lvl and cost less then 200k
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10-01-2014, 03:08 AMTeryaaniIt's easiest in the lower levels. LTW is easier from 60-80. Those horrible i50 garlean masks are a throw-away item on the market board (or are easily farmed when doing dailies/animus book grinds/etc). My CUL is around 74 (i've put desynth on hold - too many things to do), but where I'm at a 2 star fish gives between .1 and .2 (closer to .2 last time I tried it). Great right? Eh no. I've only got a 56% chance of success to get that improvement and these are special condition catch fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urielparadox
Mahi Mahi are easier, but one star fish give, and this is from memory so forgive the imprecision, at or less than .1 with a mid 70s chance of success. So I can understand the OPs frustration.
Edit: The other problem is that they may have been focusing on something other than CUL. I wish SE would let us level all of the desynth options because the chance of only having 3 at near max sucks -
10-01-2014, 03:18 AMchrillix
Unfortunately, I don't see glamour items decreasing in value for a long time. I think it's really sad that the most expensive items in this game do almost nothing for you (glamour/furniture). But, until Yoshi let's us crafters make something seriously viable end-game, I don't think this will ever change.
I hate to say it, but I miss the materia system from 1.0 where you could risk a ton of materia/gil to get a quadruple meld, but once you did you had something comparable or at least on par with end-game gear (and would in turn, be expensive and net a nice profit!!). -
10-01-2014, 03:32 AMUrielparadox
You act like cul desynth is unique in this way. If you have a 50% chance on a 2 star item, every desynth is going to get +.3 to +.45 skill ups, Also when getting skill ups I only use items from 50-70% success because of the amount of skill is better. I know I can get to lvl 67 desynth using hover worms in coer. From just about every fish I catch so yeah that's still way easier then any other craft. One Google search and the first 4 results tell you use takati from urth to go from 70-78. Also their is an old thread on this forum from launch of 2.3 that was all about discovering WC and it showed every known way, a simple forum search would have answered the ops question, instead he argues. He could go lvl desynth and ask for help with it, instead he argues. I found my own way to lvl GSM desynth that wasn't in any guides and I have spent way less Gil for lots for more lvls, and judging by mb prices im not the only one who does it this way. If you want to take it slow that's your choice.
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10-01-2014, 03:53 AMIceWingEasiest way imo to lvl cul desynth is fish up silver sov's for your i70 rod, and desynth the nq's and hq's if you already have the rod/hat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teryaani
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10-01-2014, 03:59 AMTeryaaniOh don't get me wrong, I know the diminishing returns thing is universal. The difference is that one relies on RNG (CUL) and the other just on being able to speed craft stuff. I can create a stack of aetheryte rings and do a stack of desynth at once. Catching 1 and 2 star fish to help you level can sometimes be a painful task, no matter how well geared you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urielparadox
Agreed. I think it's more tedious later when you hit the 1 star+ mess.Quote:
I know I can get to lvl 67 desynth using hover worms in coer. From just about every fish I catch so yeah that's still way easier then any other craft.
I'll now be doing this next time I pick up CUL, thanks for that. Early on I had found a few suggestions. I normally check them out again when I decide to throw myself at this.Quote:
One Google search and the first 4 results tell you use takati from urth to go from 70-78.
No argument there. I found a few alternate suggestions that could be desynthed in a single search.Quote:
Also their is an old thread on this forum from launch of 2.3 that was all about discovering WC and it showed every known way, a simple forum search would have answered the ops question, instead he argues. He could go lvl desynth and ask for help with it, instead he argues. I found my own way to lvl GSM desynth that wasn't in any guides and I have spent way less Gil for lots for more lvls, and judging by mb prices im not the only one who does it this way.
It saves on the frustration. I do SB'ing the same way. Keeps it from becoming painfully tedious.Quote:
If you want to take it slow that's your choice.
The only really possible issue is if the OP had already had (nearly) maxed out three other desynths. We don't know if that's the case because that bit was never mentioned. If so....well that sucks. I have to coordinate effort's with my wife when we jump into this stuff (I've got LTW/GSM/CUL and she has ALC/WVR/BSM) and that still leaves crafts uncovered. Up side? I get any judge rays she fishes up.
Thanks, This is the approach I'm using too. I've been incredibly lazy...uh...busy about getting this done. I've got main hands for BTN/MIN, this is the one I'm slacking onQuote:
Originally Posted by IceWing
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10-01-2014, 04:25 AMTeirshin
Unlike every other MMO I've ever played, SE treats vanity gear as more rare and valuable than end game combat raiding gear.
Why??? Who the <moogle> knows.
I shelled out 1.9m for 2 pieces of cotton and considered that a steal compared to the usual cost of 1.4m a piece they tend to sell for. -
10-01-2014, 04:36 AMTeryaaniWoW does this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
* Pets and mounts are gated behind faction grinds or content with a weekly lockout.
* The best looking transmog outfits are gated behind content with a weekly lockout.
* Mount options like the vial of the sands requires an RNG in RNG grind of archeology and expensive components once you get the recipe.
* Good looking green items are rare drops from a single slow spawning obscure mob and go for ridiculous amounts on the auction house.
As for the gear, you can get JP/VP gear (the equivalent of myth/sold gear) pretty easily, just like here. -
10-01-2014, 05:19 AMLineageRazorI'm pretty sure this is a blessing. Suppose there is endgame gear X. You either need engame gear X to be taken seriously as a raider, or you need endgame gear X to do endgame stuff at all without spending all your time eating dirt. The trouble is, endgame gear X is crafted; it's hard to craft, and requires ridiculously rare materials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
Now you're in the situation where endgame gear X has ridiculously high demand compared to supply. The price goes through the roof. Only gilbuyers and people who are crazy good at making money can possibly compete in endgame. Everyone else is left in the cold. The forums light on fire, and with darned good reason.
Now, consider the alternative, which is what we have now. Endgame gear is accessable to everyone who does endgame, and also to some who don't. Only glamour items are suffering from ridiculously high demand compared to supply - and you know what? Not being able to dress your character in a coeurlskin bikini isn't going to affect your progress through the game. If you really want it, you can scrimp and save until you can afford it, but no one is going to kick you from party for not having one when you join Party Finder for Binding Coil of Bahamut Turn 36.
As sour as it makes me as a crafter, I see the wisdom in making glamour items the primary source of profit for crafters, rather than actual endgame equipment. I don't have to like it, but it makes sense. -
10-01-2014, 05:27 AMAlmalexia
Vanity swimwear is all CUL has going for it on desynthesis. No demimateria there.
Catch and desynth your own okey-dokeys if you don't want to pay that much, or start /sh and PF to buy direct. At least half of the sellers of the lei/coeurl gears would be happy to get rid of those things for less than [your server's exorbitant AH price here] if you make contact and haggle. -
10-01-2014, 05:37 AMRocond
If you care about getting the item that much, then just put in the effort to obtain it. Pretty simple.
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10-01-2014, 06:03 AMServerCollapseasiest way is to catch pirus at northshroud and another common ilvl 70 fish (forgot its name) at urths giftQuote:
Originally Posted by IceWing
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10-01-2014, 06:29 AMNyalia
Yeah, Pirucus are the best for leveling CUL desynth, like the guy above me said ^. Also, there are three fish that desynth into Waterproof Cotton, and at least three swimsuit pieces that also desynth into Waterproof Cotton. Blue Summer Maros are generally the cheapest way to go if you have max WVR desynth and don't want to catch fish. On my server, they sell for under 200k each, and were dropping last I checked. No one wants to wear them, really...
Only one of the fish you need to desynth for Waterproof Cotton is untradeable, but it's probably the easiest to catch. I'm having a heck of a time catching Lone Rippers for my wife to desynth, since I'm the fisher and she's the CUL desynther :( -
10-01-2014, 06:43 AMZumi
Vanity gear in FFXIV isn't cheap if you want it then you have to do what is required to get it.