Hi guys. I just transfered to the japanese Kujata server some hours ago. And did it because i have to work at night for a while and cant play online during european peak times. And you know you can only play frontlines on peak times. I did try it over the last days to play on non-peak times, but i just got a awesome queue of 550 minutes without any pop. So i decided to move over to Kujata for a while.
Game says me the average queue time for frontlines is actually just 10 mins. Hell thats awesome. On my old server phoenix the average time was always on 30 min+
One other thing i noticed is, that the overall communication on japanese pvp is much more friendly and not full of harassment as it is in NA/EU nowadays. Even if your alliance loose they still saying things like "Thanks. Was nice to play with you"(...)
And they know how to play. It is a big big difference to NA/EU aswell. You dont have ignorant people and everyone knows what to do. And healers are everywhere.
Thats really nice. :)
Japanese PvP is awesome
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09-30-2014, 09:52 PMSangheliosJapanese PvP is awesome
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09-30-2014, 10:01 PMGor
i've been strongly tempted to transfer to JP servers rather than cancelling my sub, but my concern is just possible lag. did you have any of that? i suppose i could try it out for myself.
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09-30-2014, 10:04 PMSanghelios
Yes, i do have a bit more lag there. But its not a game breaker or something. Can still play pretty good.
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09-30-2014, 10:50 PMBlubbers
Is the metagame any different there? Are there any other huge differences you've noticed?? Also thanks for making this post, it's cool to see how the other side lives. I forget that there's another community out there playing the same game probably having similar discussions in japanese.
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10-01-2014, 12:16 AMNorthernLadMSP
Do a lot of people on the Japanese servers speak English as well? It'd be awesome to be on a server of people who do Frontlines regularly and are friendly and kind.
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10-01-2014, 01:18 AMAtreus
Careful, you'll send a wave of hoppers to Japanese servers!
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10-01-2014, 02:37 AMGorNA coming to crash dat sh---Quote:
Originally Posted by Atreus
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10-01-2014, 02:40 AMSantaClaw
Japanese community are friendly and polite.
Try to play a class that you're not good at, tank or healer and join duty roulette, they won't say anything or vote kick even if you've done a terrible job.
They still greet you in the end of the battle. They're gentlemen.
Believe me, I don't speak well in JP either, and I don't even have static or FC, but I cleared all contents included T9 for every week, all extreme primal via the party finder with them.
They're highly intelligent, very effective in teamwork.
And you won't have any RMT tells or friend request, I don't remember since when last time I saw RMT advertising in game.
This is my own personal experience party with them and play in JP server since FFXIV 1.0. -
10-01-2014, 04:07 AMAtreus'MURICA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gor
Incoming JPonly party finder groups. -
10-01-2014, 04:24 AMKamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri
JP ONRY
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10-01-2014, 05:21 AMZyphione
I give fair warn first that experience depend on which server player plan to join, not every JP player is OK with English speaker.
As I type before in other thread, is not because of racism but sometime because do not know much English. Communicate become very difficult sometime unless you know some hira or kata to give idea. In some case will be needed to talk to others? Then become problem if you can not understand dialect.
You can try ping all JP server and find where not much lag problem?
I reply for information only. Kujata is Elemental Data Center with Tonberry which is wide known as community with both English speaker and JP speaker so communication most of time is easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanghelios
Most should be able to speak EN and JP if join Content Finder group.
Activity and community is because there no point in boycott PVP or complain and say do not want to play PVP. Many PVP for fun or to grind level? But usually do with mindset to try win while do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by tehomegaking
I would not say JP excel at MMO in same way most NA people understand word "excel". Both player culturally different, maybe play for different reason? or at least play game at different level of intensity?
Can be many reason.
On data center I play on, many time player have been kick from PVP game randomly and no word exchange. This problem have been occur many time since vote kick issue into PVP and is not only kick English speaker but also JP player. On outside website of SqE forum, is mention they remove people for many reason which both childish and sometime silly.
If most really want transfer server then: If this happen to you, I advise you take note some name in party then report to SqE harassment.
Other than that if remain respectful then will be no problem, as I have had NA player in party before but always say thing to be negative and he dismissed from party not too long after.
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10-01-2014, 06:24 AMDivinemight
Japanse players are like a wolfpack, if you are not behave like in a pack, you get isolated. They also will actively use the tools given to them, such as blacklisting and votekicking. If you want to play on Japanse servers but want to keep EN playing style and atitude, you might as well forget it. In general, the PvP community is bigger and friendlier but dont think they are innocent lamb. They have a blacklist with names on 2ch after all. Once your name made to this list, you are going to have hard time to find any party.
Skill wise..... they are wolfpack, very dangerous in number.
I would recommand it is better to create an alt character on their server just PvP. The servers are phsyciall located at Japan after all. -
10-01-2014, 07:36 AMSanghelios
So much posts here. Didnt expect that.^^
So far, the lag from earlier today was gone now. It just feels now like i am still on phoenix. Did found an english speaking player today (Did call out for english people in mor dhona) who was able to help me a bit. He said there is an english fc on Kujata, but i got an fl pop so i wasnt able to ask him more about it. Well anyway, almost all japanese players dont speak english or just dont want to do it. You have to use auto translation most of the time. I didnt even needed to take the lead in any frontline match there so far because everyone just knews what to do.
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10-01-2014, 07:42 AMZyphioneI think most tradition NA player can ignore blacklist in some way? I try to give example situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
Blacklist meant to be shameful and tell many of certain player behavior but very rare such thing will affect NA player who transfer to JP server. I take example of player who do not speak Japanese and in thread case, only there to PVP mostly and not so concern with doing Binding Coil unless it is in content finder.
With such example I use, if only want PVP and content finder duty then is still OK even if name on list. I know some NA player on Tiamat server who only craft item to sell and do not care about doing latest PVE content or some who refuse to join FC because rather play by self in leisure time. Some also will not join JP FC since very hard to understand JP and sometime seen as pointless? They tell me rather have friend list than FC, but even if friend list empty still OK since play game to find own fun or make money to afford Large FC house and build small empire.
Basically if NA player who is transferring is self-sufficient type of player, do not need group or FC to play game and can be happy with own company then very easy to fit into any environment without care of such blacklist.
Some player who will leave group when see blacklisted player name? Is also ok and matter little. Not everyone do this, I see this quite childish and infantile to leave just because you see someone name on a list when you do not know them personal.
Some player votekick when they see blacklisted player in duty? Report and notify SqE for further action.
Person in my FC tell me that NA player can play on JP server mostly fine if live on West Coast?
Would be closer to JP area than place like New York, or lag will not be as bad as than in different place. It depend though.
Underline is correct, many will not speak English as do not see reason to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanghelios
If you are in JP server by label then is so call "subject to JP society", mean JP become main language and behavior as NA is minority. Certain JP player sometime speak English to NA player if they do not understand JP, but not all JP player will do same thing.
If basically know what to do then should not need to even talk most of time since you do everything right.
But if want to do some PVE content, I advise that JP player do different than NA player for some fight but if you play on JP server long time, will learn JP way and everything become more or less normal. :) -
10-03-2014, 11:08 PMNova_Rox
Not to sound like someone on the "JP are the best" bandwagon, but they've always been, for the most part, extremely friendly and AMAZING PvP players, even during my time in FFXI. Hell, they were the ONLY ones doing PvP on most servers! I REALLY wish servers weren't segregated, I miss being able to log in at night to PvP with the JP players and being able to play with english speakers during the day.
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10-04-2014, 01:31 AMSanghelios
Ya, Square really should allow pvp players to play worldwide with all data centers. The wait times for americans and europeans arent acceptable in any way right now. I did already post this picture somewhere else, but this was my last queue in chaos data center:
http://puu.sh/bWekb/a6226f192a.jpg
And this is what i have got on japanese server:
http://puu.sh/bXFBi/2fc98f1159.jpg
After some more days:
- It seems that Maelstrom isnt winning every game there. Feels like the winning percentage is around 30% Maelstrom, 30% Adders, 40% Flames.
- Most if not all frontline games are with 70-72 people. That means you dont have the situation that B is missing 3 guys, while A and B are only 6 people...
- You never need to ask for more healers. Almost every A/C group does have 3 healer, 2 tanks and 3 dds. Just seems like a common knowledge.
http://puu.sh/bXIVp/10c2b8d4df.jpg
- Way more healers with tank jewelry compared to NA/EU.
- Sometimes the game shows me the non synced stats from the group. Idk if that affects anything.:cool:
http://puu.sh/bXIYG/fea94b4738.jpg
- Sleep in combination with Limit on flag is used far more often.
- Healers arent that focused as they are in NA/EU.
- Japanese non-peak time is by far better then peak european.
- Did play three frontlines while posting this. ;) -
10-04-2014, 01:46 AMNorthernLadMSP
Honestly, based on the comparison you just posted about, it totally sounds like Frontlines is WAY more fun on the Japan servers. Not having to beg and plead for healers? Being able to go healer and not having every opposing enemy target you. Having full parties from the start. The list goes on and on.
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10-04-2014, 05:26 AMRochedalaixHeh my first character is on Kujata I moved to that server because when the game first came out all the NA servers were closed lol. Maybe I'll get back to my Kujata character for PVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanghelios
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10-16-2014, 02:06 PMVaeriaAgreed. Ballista became my #1 reason for playing ff11 and I migrated multiple times to find the heaviest servers with it, finally ending on Lakshmi. Those were fun days setting the alarm clock to wake at 3:30AM to slug it out with the JPs (who still showed up during NA hours too.) The playstyles are noticably different during time shifts but it was nice to see tactics and such from different perspectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nova_Rox
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10-16-2014, 02:44 PMVaeria
Contemplating server jumping but...
Basing this off my ballista experiences with JPs back in FF11, its quite certain to say that they're very respectful and quite friendly as a group, patient. Especially in PvP, its noticable how they work as a 1-person-team (not surprised at all to hear it said theres always enough healers and such.) But in exchange for this ..and this is probably gonna sound rather twisted to say but.. ...theres just not enough good ol malice and hatred to go around. Its TOO respectful sometimes.
I feel like Im one of the few people who LOVES getting teabagged -god that sounds bad- because in addition to being imformative, it gives you alll kinds of incentive to return the favor (oh the sweet tells sent during ballista days after killing an opponent). But JPs HEAVILY frown on stuff like this -see a few of the other posts-and on a predominantly JP server, all the things that really give PvP its fangs..are kinda watered down^^; -
10-16-2014, 03:09 PMVaeria
As a final example of my concern, back in FF11/ballista on Fenrir server, I came accross another JP mnk who I pretty much went to war with. Skillwise, he was as solid as they come. We never exchanged words personally on Fenrir but both his fighting style and gear selection (he always wore Kotes at match lineup time) made him stand out. Sooner or later, he left for another server.
Once I got to Lakshmi and jumped into its ballista, I began fighting another mnk that heavily reminded me of him, though with a different name. One match line up, he sends me a tell (Hello monk monster!) and I just take a gamble and respond, calling him by the name of my rival on Fenrir. Low and behold, its the same guy. He ends up calling me 'big brother; -we were both Galkas, I large size, he tiny- and refuses to attack me anymore!-_- -
10-16-2014, 03:22 PMVaeria
This, save for one time where he accidently does...then immediately sends a tell and actually apologizes mid fight ><; Needless to say, Im touched beyond words, but the whole exchange is maddening for the simple reason that good PvP NEEDS that kind of passionate hatred and malice. I dunno..maybe Ive just been around NA's too long and have acquired a taste for the animosity playing amongst em generates...but in simple truth, it seems that kind of spirit is completely lacking in JP heavy matches. Thats a good thing I guess from a moral standpoint. But....
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10-16-2014, 04:43 PMKiara1
10 min average queuetime? Why did I pick the chaos cluster, this is how it looks at chaos
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10-17-2014, 12:29 AMAtreus
Dang Kiara. 8( It's not so bad on Aether later in the day. Come to usss. Or you could just wait for the rank cap to increase, that might give a burst of activity.
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10-17-2014, 05:49 AMSangheliosI was on Chaos too, and i also got a 10 hour queue some time ago. But i think the average time on Chaos was around 30min.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiara1