If both classes have equal gear, full health, & have all of their skills off-cooldown, there is no way for a Bard to escape/defeat a Dragoon in a 1 vs 1 scenario.
Purify
Fetter Ward
Elusive Jump
Weapon Throw
Feint/Stuns
Bard damage is significantly reduced when enemies are too close/far and lose much of their auto attack damage if they are not facing the enemy.
Is there any way to counter this? :'(
DRG vs BRD
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09-17-2014, 09:03 AMOohcutDRG vs BRD
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09-18-2014, 01:09 AMZyphioneThe way to 'counter' is to remove this view and keep trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oohcut
Very hard for board to help when we don't see your duel with DRG, can only tell from personal experience? But everyone personal experience different from yours so can only tell you general thing that might not even help you at all.
But it is possible for BRD to defeat DRG. -
09-18-2014, 02:19 AMSkycrimes
I've beat many mnks/drgs solo. Getting the first hits in is key, as well as saving your bind/push for the right moment (don't push them back knowing they still have jumps etc). Plus it's not like every drg you meet is pro.
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09-18-2014, 03:12 AMDivinemightThe chance is very low. All the DRG's aresenals is heavily anti-BRD. Archer may have a little higher chance but that is depending on your CD management. Bloodbath + Hawk's Eye + Barrage will helps you recover after he did jump stun and leg sweap. Swift Cast + Stoneskin is alsy very importantQuote:
Originally Posted by Oohcut
Yes, I agree with Zyphione, you should try to avoid take on DRG 1 v 1. -
09-18-2014, 06:13 PMVaeria
Don't see why it should be a problem (or at least a decent match) since no decent brd is gonna be fighting any melee straight up anyway. Keep wind/venom up, wait for elusive jump/ weapon toss, (only pop purify when he starts stunning ) > shadowbind, full CDs, and pray :P Sprint/kiting/doting'll play a huge part of it but hardly impossible.
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09-19-2014, 05:29 PMWilliam_Almasy
This might be off subject but I would like to see certain classes have no chance against others.
Dragoon (real definition mounted warrior) strikes an archer (what I consider a bard) should Win. -
10-04-2014, 09:38 AMLogo
Nope,
You're going to die in 3/4 button clicks.
best case scenario, run.
preferably to a WAR.
BRD is a free kill to a DRG. -
10-04-2014, 06:55 PMAxelDH
Ha, well a Bard can kill a DRG in one click of the button.
Blast shot off the top of the ledge, gg DRG! ;) -
10-04-2014, 09:54 PMDivinemightElusive jump prevent fall damage when used correctly, although a lot of dragoons are not aware of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelDH
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10-05-2014, 07:47 AMkensatsu
yeah the jump prevent fall^^, need to keep a jump and when you fall you jump, you get back to your target (most dragoon used this on the landslide from titan, but yes it's not know by all the dragon)
in solo i think drg can certaily compete with most job, War can be annoying for drg to solo, it's hard to win a DRG vs War solo
i din't remember got killed by a bard in solo, why ? them can jump and reach directly and burst you in no time, he maybe have to jump again to achieve you when you escape, and have to trhow some lance. a drg with all the CD up = this scenario, it's maybe why the first attack maybe the key, to make it possible for bard, if them is not full CD also there more chance^^ -
05-10-2015, 04:07 AMelmoabsenta
well, dragoon synergy bard in PVE while in PvP it's vise versa. But -- skills sharp the steal. And win also depends on human factor. Anyway it's absolutely no problem to any of the class kill another class.
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05-10-2015, 07:49 AMStrejdaTomI would like to see the balance in PVP like it was in Lineage II, one class could kill 3 other classes but could be killed by other 3 classes etc.. It was not perfect but I liked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by elmoabsenta
Here it is like as a BRD i can kill 2 classes and 6 others can kill me. I am not exactly talking about mass pvp, in frontlines I can kill anyone while they aren't focusing me. -
05-10-2015, 09:23 AMaerialrave
Any melee can take out a Bard 1v1.
The thing is, there is no real 1v1 in this game, so this discussion isn't very relevant.
Even in the few times 1v1 scenarios happen (like lone scout vs lone flag defender), you can always call for help.
If you're having trouble as a Bard, all you have to do is knock them back, bind, and retreat into a safe area or at least next to your allies.
Sometimes it's unavoidable in Wolve's Den, but really, in Frontlines, you should not intentionally be trying to 1v1 ANY melee characters on your Bard. That is just basic strategy.
Bards aren't considered good because they rack up kill streaks or even because they do lots of damage. Bards are considered good because they can interrupt skills and spells from a safe distance and can offer some party support with songs, and Manasong can be a life saver too. Not to mention they have emergency backup healing with their LB... THIS REALLY HELPS VERSUS CASTER LB - CAN HELP SAVE ENTIRE PARTIES.
If you're looking for Bard 1v1 fights vs Melee, then yeah, you're going to lose every time. Pick another class if you want to do that. -
05-11-2015, 10:08 AMGeologo
Never realized that Bard has this problem o.O
I tried bard for just 2 or 3 times in pvp, but when I realized that my Misery's End striked for 98 HP of damage...
I switched back to BLM xD
Anyway a lot of times enemies don't have all CDs up so if he waste Weapon Throw and Spineshatter Dive (like use it consequentially allowing you to Repelling shot him) you may run away while attacking.
One of the worst things that I saw among MNK and BRD expecially in frontline is Blood for Blood bad timing, I know that is very trivial for expert Bards, but more then I time I switched focus on who activate it and it help me a lot xD -
05-11-2015, 04:28 PMAiden_Volkov
Bards, White mages and Black mages are my predilect prey. Sometimes with Warrior, other with Dragoon and even sometimes with paladin. I like the feeling as be the predator when they run and try to scape, like a wolf or lion maybe the prey scape sometimes, but is very rewarding when you hunt them and finally after try all, they died/lost by your Lance or Axe.
The most barbaric kill was me and three more (two warrior and two paladins) (mine friends) attacking an alone bard in secure when we scout XD surprising him and surrounding it on four sides. He call his friends but they need three tryies to defeat us and so we gain a lot of points for our team as finally won the match
So, i guess: No chance or veryyyyyyyy few for a Bard can beat a good Dragon, Paladin or Warrior solo, at least no one bard kill me solo, maybe if three or four of them against me then yes. -
05-11-2015, 08:08 PMGeologoMan... to be hones I feel that ANY class can kill ANY class in a 2 VS 1 considering that both group have a brain, if you are fighting tard ok, you can kill a lot even solo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiden_Volkov
In the worst case in a 2 vs 1 the lone one can flee. -
05-11-2015, 11:57 PMAiden_VolkovWell maybe its hard to believe then, but i kill sometimes two characters against me solo XD but as you said, then i guess they only attack me randomly and don't use their 100% potencial or don't have brain XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Geologo