Disturbed.

That's how I feel from reading the forums... Just got back from work and all I see is 'HULK ANGRY, HULK SMASH' on housing.

Okay so they have misdelivered on their promise, but it's not like they are not working on it.

So 2 new instances will be released as where personal housing will remain the same as FC housing. Yoshi-P then announced that the plots will be doubled for 2.4 (whether prices will drop idk).

Funny thing though, many people seem to be saying that they don't care about more plots whether that's double or triple. All about the GILLLLLLLLLLL.

Okay let's look at it this way, let's say the 2 new plots are released with reduced personal housing. Everyone flocks to it and buys a land; then all plots a filled. What happens next?

'HULK ANGRY, HULK SMASH, WUAI NO MOAR PLOTS!? YOU LAR TO MEH SE'

Either way you will complain.

Okay so they should release more plots. I don't know how they are dealing with the servers, but from my own personal experience; developing a server isn't easy. You are practically trying to build a super computer. No matter how much money you put into buying the tech, if you cannot make 100% use out of it and get around all the technical problems; it will be pointless.

I am willing to assume they are doing everything they can to improve their infrastructure.

The game is still a year old in terms of 2.0, it's still way too early to point fingers at anyone. I would at least wait till the expansion till we get stabilized content, maybe even till 4.0, heck I'll wait till 5.0.

ikr.. also funny how those people open a new thread for it all the time, need attention much?

They are also busy with many events coming up, 3 fanfest events in 3 different countries and also TGS 2014 coming up in 2 days.

Also, I've personally have been waiting for Personal Housing. I've been logging everyday after work doing my dailies or whatever I could to make money. But do I go bitching about it? DURHURDERPY.

Personally I think that this is disgusting behavior.

I kinda wish I had popcorn cause its so funny reading the posts of ppl who just want the house NOW and don't wanna use any gil for it.
But its early in the morning and I haven't had breakfast yet so maybe ill get popcorn later.

I will also sit in my medium house in mist, plot 4 ward 7 laughing at you poor filthy casuals MOHAHHA

Pic is related'
http://s4.postimg.org/js5npzkiz/ffxi...014_095716.png

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

Okay let's look at it this way, let's say the 2 new plots are released with reduced personal housing. Everyone flocks to it and buys a land; then all plots a filled. What happens next?

'HULK ANGRY, HULK SMASH, WUAI NO MOAR PLOTS!? YOU LAR TO MEH SE'

Either way you will complain.

Okay so they should release more plots. I don't know how they are dealing with the servers, but from my own personal experience; developing a server isn't easy. You are practically trying to build a super computer. No matter how much money you put into buying the tech, if you cannot make 100% use out of it and get around all the technical problems; it will be pointless.

I am willing to assume they are doing everything they can to improve their infrastructure.

The game is still a year old in terms of 2.0, it's still way too early to point fingers at anyone. I would at least wait till the expansion till we get stabilized content, maybe even till 4.0, heck I'll wait till 5.0.

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I think the main concern here is that you are dealing with something that all MMOs have to deal with, yet most new MMOs these days handle housing considerably better than this and handle it with far more communication. The only communication we really got regarding housing is that they were working on it for nine months, it was expected to be considerably less money than a FC House (which is funded by multiple people) but on the day of the patch, we are told it is the same amount and the same system, and only you are paying for it this time so technically it's more expensive for an individual, and there is a landgrab involved where you are competing with FC's.

Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure that justifies a negative reaction.

They have stopped communicating proactively like they did around the time of patch 1.23, and this is the result. If Yoshi wants to retain the trust of the people, he needs to look towards what he did right in the past, what set him apart from the prior leadership. At the moment, sadly, he is heading in their direction - little communication regarding things people hold dear and failed promises. Now, I support Yoshi to remain as leader of this fantastic game (and it is fantastic), but if he continues down this road it will work against him.

We need more open communication regarding the status of things and how they are expected to work BEFORE they are thrown at us, because managing people's expectations is something he did so well during 1.x and he has stopped doing it recently. It's working against him in a big way.

Or maybe... We can show we are angry about it, but like other part of games, and just hope they will change personnal house?
Yes we are crazy i know...

And they are not so busy with fanfests. It is not the devs team that prepare such event. Some of them will be in those, but great part of team not. It is marketing team that will do it...

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Personally I think that this is disgusting behavior.

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If we don't express our distaste toward this then they will continue to add ridiculous patches like this one.

Some posts are worded poorly, regarding housing.

Some people though, have made valid topics questioning the decisions. Which I don't think Yoshida would mind, since they tend to always say they want to hear what we think. How could they know how to -possibly- improve if they don't get feedback?

You say people would complain either way.. I think most of these 'disturbing' posts you mention wouldn't be here if they just added 1-2 wards, completely separate from FC Housing, with pricing that reflected what an individual could afford, as opposed to an FC.

Do agree though, some of them could be worded more appropriately.

I'm also disturbed... By the amount of white-knighting I'm seeing in this thread.

Everyone is entitled to say something if they are against the current housing. I'm not bothered by housing but it's disheartening to see that I'll never be able to afford houses because I don't like to spend hours grinding out Gil.

Perhaps making hundreds of threads about this isn't the best idea but at least SE will take notice. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised is RMT activity picks up now :/

there is game call sims where you can play with houses. just move on.

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If we don't express our distaste toward this then they will continue to add ridiculous patches like this one.

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Ah but the thing is, people will express their distaste, which is fine, but then will jump in game and buy a house anyway, which in the eyes of SE says that their idea was a success and that's why they continue to add ridiculous patches like this one.
Please people for all that is good and great, if you hate how housing is being implemented, vote with your wallet and do not buy any land.
Because if you do then all your whining will be just that, whine

■まとめ■

ハウジングシステム関連は、必要になるギルの高額さや、FCで遊ぶか、個人で遊ぶかなど、
多くの要素が絡み、実装コストや需要の配分も複雑になるため、我々開発の判断内容と、
プレイヤーの皆さん全員の思惑が、どうしても一致しない面が出てしまうことと思います。

ですが、パッチ2.1以降そうであったように、これからもお時間はいただくことになりますが、
きちんと皆さんの需要やフィードバックにお応えしていくつもりでおりますので、
引き続き、よろしくお願いいたします。

Yoshi-P's Japanese post.

'In relation to the housing system, the large sum of gil required, enjoying housing as a FC, enjoying housing a private estate, many topics are relevant to the system, pricing and slot demand has given us mixed feelings. The final decision made from the development team and the hopes/wishes that the players have wanted, could not be the same.

But since as it was in Patch 2.1, we ask for more more time, we will promptly respond to everyone's feedback when we can, thank you for your support.

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IF you are REALLY that mad over something like this, please quit.

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Thread started out ok, but this is over the line and just as equally disgusting...
Pretty much telling people to like it or leave.
Well same to you, don't like the forums? Leave?

I'm pretty supportive of the pricing in my posts but unsatisfied with the availability. 6 new wards, 30 houses each? 180 houses for both personal and fc's that have not gotten their houses. They generated too much hype to have it end up like this.

YoshiP posted on JP forums to explain the reasoning, a lot of JP ain't taking it very well either.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...30#post2438730

I think it's disgusting to pot a meaningless and intentful derogatory thread like this one and to believe we shouldn't complain about a half dish patch that was promised full decades ago.

So can someone tell me the exact date please? I only ask because it seems like I have traveled back in time to the release of FC housing. All the threads are exactly the same, am I lost in the temporal nexus?

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So can someone tell me the exact date please? I only ask because it seems like I have traveled back in time to the release of FC housing. All the threads are exactly the same, am I lost in the temporal nexus?

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Eorzea is actually inside a tardis.

Ontopic. Why can't they give us a single room instance like the inn that we can customise or god forbid let us decorate our inn room.

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Eorzea is actually inside a tardis.

Ontopic. Why can't they give us a single room instance like the inn that we can customise or god forbid let us decorate our inn room.

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Like private chambers in FC houses?

That was a rant on my part. If you were offended, my apologies.

But truth of the matter is, everyone is entitled to opinions. I am not complaining about the response to the housing, I'm more concerned on the attitude in which players respond with.

As I said, all are entitled to opinions. But there is a thing called constructive feedback. Rather then raging and calling Yoshida a lazy asshole who lied to everyone, construct a appealing solution; build on that solution by using more opinions of others. Build a ladder that can be climbed to the top to reach the goal.

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Like private chambers in FC houses?

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I suppose so, never been in one, too poor.

To op post above. Constructive criticism is great but my hopes for people dwindled when in 3rd year Uni our class got a lecture on giving constructive criticism ._. /headdesk

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That was a rant on my part. If you were offended, my apologies.

But truth of the matter is, everyone is entitled to opinions. I am not complaining about the response to the housing, I'm more concerned on the attitude in which players respond with.

As I said, all are entitled to opinions. But there is a thing called constructive feedback. Rather then raging and calling Yoshida a lazy asshole who lied to everyone, construct a appealing solution; build on that solution by using more opinions of others. Build a ladder that can be climbed to the top to reach the goal.

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But he and the devs spent 9 months rehashing the same content, despite there already being multiple threads providing wonderful suggestions. And they (the devs and him) should have learned from the fiasco of FC housing. So don't waste your breath providing solutions for this personal housing. It's obvious the devs and him won't bother looking at them.

Yoshida said something like -

'There needs to be a community for developers exist, there needs to be developers for a community to exist'

Even within developers there are always people who will disagree with something or are unhappy with decisions made. But they do not rage with each other (maybe sometimes), rather they try to solve the issue by coming down to a solution.

It's the same with the community, no use raging about things, put your hand up and offer a solution.

We are all in the same boat.

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It justify the complaints..but not the childish behavior. Complaining and behaving like a child are two different things and people seem to mix up the two a lot. I am all for being upset, I was looking forward to this myself. But the way most people are behaving? I agree with the OP, it's disgusting.

I can understand people being mad, but some of you dudes are calling it the end of "Final Fantasy XIV: ARR", talking about canceled subs and shattered dreams and what not. Like they've done you some gigantic disservice and have offended your vanity. Nevermind the fact that Yoshi-P and co. work many sleepless nights to make sure you guys have an enjoyable experience before since vanilla release. Even after this fiasco they will work and toil to make you guys feel happy regardless.

Guess it really shows the loyalty of the typical MMO gamer, eh? Flakey as all hell.

The thing is people always will complain no matter what they get.

Personally I am satisfied with how this game is set up. I work 12+ hours a day sleep 5 or so hours and put in 3-4 hours of gameplay a day. I just don't have the time to do Coil or CT, but I get the option of farming tomestones and hunts to get alternative gear. I do have a few complaints myself, some may remember my WORKSHOP idea. I am really dissatisfied with the current storage system, but even though I do think it is balanced. So I introduced a solution which I thought was viable. Constructive feedback.

Did I go HURRDURRR ITS BEEN ONE YEAR, GET UR F*KN ACTS STRAIGHT AND FIX STHORAAAAAAAAAAAGE? No. Simple as that.

We pay to play the game and we get the support. We are not entitled to everything that we want, even if they decide to implement, it may not be what we wished for and this is exactly the case.