2 Questions for Bards

1-Have you ever had to use your LB?

If so, how often, or do you remember the last time you use it.

My answer: I used mine once over a year ago (No joke)

2-How often do you see dps not use their dmg LB when they need to?

My answer: 95% of the time.


P.S. This is not a topic to beg SE to give Bards dmg dps, it's not gonna happen ever so why bother?

I've had to pull out the Bard LB plenty of times during primal fights.
And yeah, I've seen LB's go unused plenty of times but usually only in lower level dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

I've had to pull out the Bard LB plenty of times during primal fights.

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I've seen this happen a couple of times. Pretty useful in those situations.

Getting double Bard in DF... crap. Not so much need for LB here.

1- Yes, albeit very rarely. Used it maybe 2 or 3 times. Last time I remember having to use it was back when Titan Extreme was still new content and the healers were both down. I was still back on Excalibur at the time lol.

2- Kinda off and on, but in my experience I'd say it gets used more often than not. For the few that don't use it I think some people just get tunnel vision and forget it's even there, or are just too timid and shy about using it.

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Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin

P.S. This is not a topic to beg SE to give Bards dmg dps, it's not gonna happen ever so why bother?

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So what this topic is about then?

last time i used my LB was during cutters cry last boss and that was like over 2 months ago i rarely see ppl use LB on bosses during ST but they get used alot during Prim HM when i did them

really wish bards had a DPS LB and not a lame ass healing LB bards arnt really support class they are dps

note: I'm not a bard and don't pretend to be. This is just a response from a healer's point of view.


1: A few times. As WHM being my primary job I always feel a little better to see a BRD in my party to give me assistance with MP or Limit Break If I need it..
Unfortunately, the healer LB hardly pays off if it's a near wipe but I sure am glad when it does.


2: Lol. Define "need". Theres only a few fights I can think of that actually REQUIRE a LB. That's MOG EX, BRAYFLOX, TITAN EX(ads, optional strategy), LEVI EX(optional strategy), IFRIT EX(giant nail, optional[?]), TURN 4(rook). Unless it's to skip a phase or to beat a enrage timer/mechanic, it's not "needed" but who wouldn't welcome more damage.

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Originally Posted by vp_cmc

So what this topic is about then?

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Just curious to see if Bards around have the same experience. I don't like to get into the "dmg lb for bards" debate since people disregard bards as dps and call them fully support class, which doesn't make much sense to me.

Even though Bard LB is super situational, sometimes, it's perfect. Other night I queued for Ultima HM in duty finder (pfftttt) and we made it through to the last set of spheres, got no tank (or healer!!) limit break, so we lost everyone but me and one little monk, desperately clinging to life with Ultima breathing down his neck--and the chatbox just explodes with "Nooo, we were so close!!" and "Wipeeeeee."

My Bard LB macro? "NOT TODAY."

Most commendations I ever got as a DPS.

Heh. Last time I had to use LB was in Ramuh EX a few days ago. <.< Ramuh EX can be very unforgiving when you get bad luck and we were able to recover ^^.

1- Yes, saved a few Titan runs with it before.
2- Yes, often in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin

P.S. This is not a topic to beg SE to give Bards dmg dps, it's not gonna happen ever so why bother?

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I know you said this, but they really should give Bard a damage Limit Break. They should give every Job two Limit Breaks, not to mention expand the Limit Break system a bit to include a few more types; something like a Ranged Limit Break is perfectly plausible, just make it exactly the same as the DPS Limit Break with an added Repelling Shot effect, you charge it up like a DPS and then fire and jump back. A Support Limit Break is also reasonable, would fit Bard better than a damaged based one to be honest; OK it wont be direct damage, but it would still potentially be a damage boost, and possibly something great for DPS checks if it boosts DPS enough (doing a single Limit Break on a fetter is nice, but having a damage boost for all of them is nicer I think).

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Originally Posted by sarehptar

Even though Bard LB is super situational, sometimes, it's perfect. Other night I queued for Ultima HM in duty finder (pfftttt) and we made it through to the last set of spheres, got no tank (or healer!!) limit break, so we lost everyone but me and one little monk, desperately clinging to life with Ultima breathing down his neck--and the chatbox just explodes with "Nooo, we were so close!!" and "Wipeeeeee."

My Bard LB macro? "NOT TODAY."

Most commendations I ever got as a DPS.

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Have my like, I would like more often if I could

Why? Similar thing happened to me as tank eating dirt and the Bard saving the day <3 (but there was no "Not Today Macro" but a Lala Monk)

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1: Yes, several times to try and safe a other wise failed attempt at T1

2: I stopped caring, if we can't kill the boss mob WITHOUTH LB, we are in trouble anyway if the LB doesnt kill it right away.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

something like a Ranged Limit Break is perfectly plausible, just make it exactly the same as the DPS Limit Break with an added Repelling Shot effect, you charge it up like a DPS and then fire and jump back.

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lol funny thing that you mentioned this as when I think of the LB for bard this is what comes to my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaL-xgESLY

Though as you said a support LB would make perfect sense for a Bard as well. One can only hope I guess.

No, I've never had to use it.

Most of the time I see lb get use appropriately by dps.

I used mine once about a year ago as well. Didnt really need it I just wanted to see myself do it finally, lol. No one said anything either so w/e. Honestly the only LB's I have ever seen with any significant frequency is the DPS ones. Ive used the tank one once during Garuda (which saved our asses and lead to a win finally) but never seen it otherwise and healers ive seen a handful of times when group is doing poorly.

Does the healer LB work better with actual healers or is it the same across all classes that can use it?

1. I've used the LB a couple times, just in situations where the healer dies and we're close to finishing, but still almost dying(4-mans, I don't run Bard in most 8-mans due to preferring Scholar).

2. I see it used often, unfortunately, it's usually not used properly...like a monk using the LB on a Manor Maidservant in Haukke Manor story.

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Originally Posted by Kayo

Does the healer LB work better with actual healers or is it the same across all classes that can use it?

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It's the same for Healers and BRDs since the healer LBs recover a percentage of health. I prefer BRD use it over the healers if necessary since the windup time is kinda long and if you are not healing during that time you might lose some people that were still alive before the LB was used and if they die while it goes off they don't get raised.

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Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin

1-Have you ever had to use your LB?
If so, how often, or do you remember the last time you use it.

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ONCE- a LB3 During Ultima hard mode. Which, in the end, was useless because we all dies 20 seconds after because #Weakness.

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2-How often do you see dps not use their dmg LB when they need to?

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Eh. Not too often. Tho that's mostly because I dont have anyother dps class (the ones I have, I havnt used in dungeons yet) to know
when a DPS should shoot off a LB.

Either way- Bard LB's are absolutely useless and wastes a LB 90% of the time.

1) Only during emergency

2) Considering I've been on both sides of Range and Melee DPS most times Melee DPS isn't used because it isn't safe for them to use it yet. So they mostly wait tell it is safe to use it.

Melee LB is a double edge after all since it needs time to charge and using it on the wrong time can get them killed.

Bard is probably the best example of how not to borrow from XI. I liked bard in XI. I liked ranger in XI. We didn't really need a weak mashup of the two, but for some reason SE is really, REALLY interested in rooting all jobs in DPS (even healers).

I haven't had to use it yet, and I have not seen any bards in my parties for various bits of content use it either. The entire limit break system is weak in my opinion - I would rather the two hour abilities make a return, or something else that is individual job based. Maybe keep the limit break system, but have the bar be personal and based on how well you play your role. DPS? Do a lot of damage, fills faster. Healer? Use efficient spells and low overheals. Tanking? Don't lose the monster's attention\provoke fast\etc.

Might help people learn to play better if they have their own individual bar to fill. Then fix the lb's for all classes - if your job can only queue as a dps it should have a dps break not a healer break. That's just common sense.

1. I used mine many months ago at Ifrit HM to keep the group from wiping. Generally though, I never use my LB as Bard.

2. In my experiences the DD have been really good about using LB at the right times.

Will use it at times depending. But have saved quite a few wipes that way.

This reminds me of a story when I first played bard. I was doing a dungeon and I saw lb at full and I decided to use it. I never actually looked at the limit break guide so when I clicked it I'm thinking I'm about to shoot a giant arrow to the boss. I ended up healing people and I was so confused. Ah good ol' memories.

Having a dps that can heal when needed is very useful albeit situational. Smn with swiftcast + raise is great. Once I was tanking in a dungeon, healer and blm dead, boss 5% hp I was almost dead, asked bard to lb, healed me (sadly he died in the process) but I was able to down the boss.

Although once after coming back from quitting for a year I asked the bard to lb instead of the blm in haukke HM on the last boss. Figured melee dps lb over caster dps lb, later I learned how stupid I was hurp durp.

1 - I use LB sometimes when boss is almost dead and so are dps

2 - I hate people that QQ about DPS not using LB in situations when clearly LB doesn't matter. Especially annoying when in duty roulette I get Titan hm and someone start to ask for DPS LB3 with all 8 members alive and Titan having 3% hp left.

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Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin

1-Have you ever had to use your LB?

If so, how often, or do you remember the last time you use it.

My answer: I used mine once over a year ago (No joke)

2-How often do you see dps not use their dmg LB when they need to?

My answer: 95% of the time.


P.S. This is not a topic to beg SE to give Bards dmg dps, it's not gonna happen ever so why bother?

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During the last year I might have used it about 3 times to save party during Garuda EM, EM Ultima and the last one I do not remember. I see DPS not using LBs 50% of the time I am doing dungeons or stuff. I always have to tell them to use it and even after I tell them they do not do it or do it at 2% HP of boss, which is quite pointless.

1. I honestly can't remember xD I think my static raid leader asked me to use it once for the lols during Rumah ext but I didn't even have it on my bar.. thats how much its used. Complete waste of space.

2. All the time.

Think only time I "had" to use it was during levelling BRD on Garuda story mode, Healer struggled to top people up after ultimate. So after a wipe from it I used BRDs LB to top everyone up.

99% of fights doesn't "need" an LB, closest is turn 9 to kill first ghost and push Nael to p4 before 2nd ghost/3rd heavensfall (caster LB). Oh, and superslug strat on t6.

I've seen bards rescue a few parties here and there. Namely on Garuda and Ultima HM. I'd vote for a buff or damage instead though.

For Melee not using it, heres a whole list of why not:

Boss is moving / is close to an attack where it may move.
I'm mid combo. I'm not wasting GL3, Blood and IR, LB can wait until I've laid out my hits and DoTs.
I fear it may be needed by someone else (Tank, Healers) soon.
I feel it's a waste, we won't build it for another fight where it's better used.
It may get me killed by AoE
I do not feel I have enough HP to withstand a potential cleave or what have you (It could get me killed version 1a). (Bosses with random turn-hit / cones. Like the giant magitek knights)
I'm paralyzed, stoned, or otherwise engaged.
I could miss. Phase changes can sometimes cause this, though I have had LB3 teleport me with Garuda during her switch up, which was hella fun. (I think this is linked to the animation forcing the character into dead-centre of the target)
I'm not in the boss room because the raid is impatient as hell. (This has happened)
Some moron is telling me when to use it, regardless of the above. At this point, I often just won't bother at all. (don't you tell me what to do!)

Obviously, forgetting it's there or just lazyness does happen, but like with anything, people forget that LB is not instant hit free damage, it takes thought to use effectively and safely.

However, every side has a tale to tell, and I'mma re-enter the blame game with a shot of why don't the bloody mages use it / why do they use it on SINGLE TARGETS. (It only needs 2 targets to do more dmage than melee but sweet hell, (Assuming xivdb is correct) 5000 Blade Dance potency versus 3000 StarStorm. (Two targets: 6000 potency in the resulting damage total)

They have plenty of opportunities to use Skyshard in dungeons just to clean out weaker mobs with so much more efficiency, where the bosses it doesn't really make all that much of a difference if or if not Melee is used. (Build up over first boss, Clean out mobs between 1st and 2nd boss in no time, repeat. Obviously some circumstances like BrayfloxHM would not use this for the final stretch, but still... Actually, considering how long it takes to kill those mobs, it might just, cos that big bomb ain't a problem).

Really though, the real problem with LB is that the animations are the same for everyone. I want Dolphin Kick and Suplex for LV1/2 on Monk, Highwind etc for DRG.

/drool

I've used it about 3x since I've started playing bard. 2x for Titan HM and 1x for Garuda HM (duty roulette trials). Both healers down each time and the Primal was at less than 10% HP. So people were spamming in party chat for me to use my LB. I only use it when I am asked or if I see we are in desperate need of it with a chance of winning if we get everyone up. However, those that were knocked off the platform with Titan are just SoL in this situation...

I've used LB3 a lot. Usually when most of the group is dead and instead of letting the healers raise everyone one at a time, I'll just use it and raise them all at once. Of course, everyone usually dies again shortly after anyway, but hey, at least I tried. And using it usually gets me killed (thanks long animation!), so it's a last resort type thing.

Well, when I was running Titan HM's with the FC for relic weapons when I finally got my bard up, when I wasn't healing, if something went sour, me being one the only people who knew the fight that well in my FC for Titan's rotations, I used the LB even if both healers were still alive.

Bard's do not need a DD LB. There's 2 AoE and 2 Melee for a reason, just because they don't know how to use it doesn't mean there's a need for more. ^_^

I used it just two nights ago on a Garuda Extreme.

We were just running a couple people in our FC through (it's been a LONG time since we'd last done EX primals). The spiny plume is mishandled and kills a lot of the raid... a couple more fall in the next transition/killing the razor feathers. I'm told to use BRD LB, the entire raid comes back from death and we win.

last time I used bard lb was in ramuh ex

I never have needed to use it on mine, generally I find that simply using MP regeneration song to assist the healers is good enough as by that stage they have geared enough and learned enough to manage their MP better and by proxy keeping everyone alive/healed reasonable well. This is not to say I may never need to use it but I don't feel is a requirement at this stage to ever do so based on past experience, also people tend to want to save LB for the other classes during most fights, the BRD LB is one that is least asked for or desired amongst the various LB types in my experience. I also find that by the time everyone has started wiping, someone has already used LB prior to that stage and I cannot use it afterwards anyways.

I've rarely used it or seen it used. Most of the time someone does use the level 3, it still ends up in a wipe.

It's also pretty useless in frontlines pvp.

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Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin

1-Have you ever had to use your LB?

If so, how often, or do you remember the last time you use it.

My answer: I used mine once over a year ago (No joke)

2-How often do you see dps not use their dmg LB when they need to?

My answer: 95% of the time.


P.S. This is not a topic to beg SE to give Bards dmg dps, it's not gonna happen ever so why bother?

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You should spend less time counting limit breaks and a little more time lvling some jobs you have played over a year and you have gotten one job to 50?