Two Complaints from lower level players

I have some complaints to share about the low levels being ignored in this game financially.

1.) The loot sells for 1 gil each? Yeah combat RMT, but you're screwing low level players who don't have retainers yet. Most people don't /shout for items in Ul'dah/Gridania or Limsa, they just check the market boards. Can there be a reasonable exchange rate for loot/gil? You're not combatting RMT, you're just screwing over the honest player.

(Ok it went over 2, my fault.)

2.) The Forum. I had to level up over lvl 25 to just be able to post this message. I have a huge problem with how the low level community cannot submit their own feedback. We have opinions too, and some of these opinions pertain to the fact that you're pretty much broke with no actual income (Questing does not generate an income that can compete with the price gougers that are crafters at times.) That is absurd. I think FFXIV's feedback should be readily available for submission by the community, not just players who are over lvl 25-ish. That's not a good image you're painting, as I've been trying in vain to post this for the longest time.

3.) A 1000 character limit on forum posts? That's just...wow...

4.) The connection issues. I'm hooked up to a University's network currently, and I keep getting the same 90000 error code when I disconnect. I get disconnected constantly while at home, my aunt's home, and finally at my job. I don't think it's my internet that is the problem, and I'm really irked that the Japanese playerbase has 3 data servers when the NA has only 2 despite being larger population-wise, and EU? Only 1?

The game should support you just fine with allagan bronze/silver pieces to trade to NPCs from your quests (not to mention gil rewards from quests themselves) till 20-21, which when you get your retainer in the storyline.

The forums I agree with but it hasn't changed for a long time so I doubt they will by now, and if you go back and edit your post, you can go past the 1000 character limit

You can edit your first post to by pass the character limit. Agreed it's annoying but that's how it is I guess.

You can edit your post to get past the character limit.

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Originally Posted by Sho86

The forums I agree with but it hasn't changed for a long time so I doubt they will by now, and if you go back and edit your post, you can go past the 1000 character limit

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Actually the limit is new with ARR, didn't exist in 1.0.

You can edit your post to go over the 1000 char limit.

As for items going for 1 gil. They are really worth 1 gil. And if they sit there on the MB and people are not buying them, you think they are really worth more than 1 gil? Level 20 unlocks retainers. It doesn't take long to get there.

1). There is a difference on the economic impact when you sell to a player vs an NPC, since an NPC just prints you money right there. If you have too many ways to decently print money the economy will get wacky, SE probably made it very low so they can easily manage the ways to purposefully print money

2). Probably to prevent trolls who just want to flame; however, there is a way to suggest ideas within the game itself through the menu and going to the help desk page. They have posting limits even if you are level 50 btw. Also to ensure players have an idea of the game before going wild? I don't see this rule really being needed but SE put it in for some reason, maybe GMs were tired of seeing too many of my posts.. :P

3). Edit your post and you can go over the 1000 character limit :D, I know it is annoying lol. Make sure to copy paste it, then cut it down, and edit paste it back up. Becareful not to lose your paste or you will look silly till you rewrite your edit XD

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Originally Posted by KIka93

3.) A 1000 character limit on forum posts? That's just...wow...

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Edit a post and you can go over the thousand char limit. Its just the initial post that's actually limited to the thousand char.

On your first point. Agree completely

On your second point. WTF?? I had no idea! I hadn't acknowledged the forums until I played the game for many, many months and was lvl 50 in many classes. Forum probation until lvl 25, lmao... THAT's CRAZY STUPID. SE should really reconsider this

On your third point. TL;DR

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Originally Posted by ispano

You can edit your post to get past the character limit.



Actually the limit is new with ARR, didn't exist in 1.0.

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And like i said, hasn't changed for a long time. ARR has been out for a year now and keeps this method with plenty of complaints for it from the beginning. I don't like it either but they seem pretty damn adamant about keeping it.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

You can edit your post to go over the 1000 char limit.

As for items going for 1 gil. They are really worth 1 gil. And if they sit there on the MB and people are not buying them, you think they are really worth more than 1 gil? Level 20 unlocks retainers. It doesn't take long to get there.

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Say that after the fact you find yourself with a ton of animal hides and sinew and after killing monsters constantly you have nothing to use them on, not even crafting because those don't generate anything worth selling. I think at least selling an item NPC-wise could generate like 3 gil per item, instead of getting a mere 99 gil, you could make like 297 gil per stack. I think that's fair for the low level things.

umm 4 isn't 2

got your numbers wrong buddy!

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

umm 4 isn't 2

get your numbers wrong buddy!

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Really? I didn't edit that in a while ago, your deduction skills are a blessing to us all Sherlock.

1) Most gear is easily obtained by completing quests.
2) Most low level players, such as yourself have not had enough experience with the game to create a valid post.

This is a long term game my friend, don't expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.
Get out there and grind, shoot even my 5 year old daughter has a level 20, mostly from ladybugs and squirrels and she has never compalined once.

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Originally Posted by KIka93

Really? I didn't edit that in a while ago, your deduction skills are a blessing to us all Sherlock.

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edit? doesn't change the wrong title :P get your numbers right buddy!

Most people I know get their gear, in low levels, by the main/side/class quests. The rewards from such quests were also decent enough that you can buy gear from the NPC vendors too.

I only have a lev 30 conj and 26 sum but managed to rack up over a half a mil just off botany and weaver making hq mats (low level mats and shards), /shrug

I that the market board does have stupid crazy prices (people try to take advantage of others) but we were all new players at some point.
I for one for most of my classes just went with the gear you get from quests or dungeon drops.
Could always ask a crafter to make you gear if you know any

In Eorzea if you want to take on powerful enemies and do difficult content you focus on your battle class. None of the top gear is bought from the markets, however if you want to make money I suggest you pick up your pickaxe and go bust up some rocks. I made a new character a few months ago and within a month had a level 50 battle class and 2M in the bank. You just have to do a bit of market research to see what is selling and fill that demand. Lower level stuff in the mid 20 range are always good sellers because high end crafters/gatherers don't want to bother with them anymore. At any rate, best of luck to you.

Most dungeon gear loot is unsellable, but I agree that they should be worth more than the suggested price if you sell them to npc.

I agree, you needing to be lv 25 just to post in thier forums is a bit too much, new players can't posts asking questions, etc.

Lastly, you have a limited amount that you can post per day based on level. Yes! There's even lockouts to how much you can posts daily based on your level..

The good thing about thier forums is it the thread is popular enough we may get dev responses/aactions.

IMO and with my experience of going from from level 1-50 on my first class, having large amounts of Gil is a non-issue at that point. I pretty much never needed to buy new gear since I would get everything that I needed through quests, dungeons, levequests, class/job quests, etc. Selling old gear didn't give me a lot of money but it was usually enough for repairs and such and since it was pretty much free as a quest reward it wasn't like I lost out on money. This coupled with the money you get from quests and the like you should have more than enough money to get you to your first lvl 50. Money only really becomes much of an issue at higher levels, at least IMO.

As for having items that you are sitting on and don't want to NPC vendor, your inventory should have enough room to hold most of everything. Most mats stack to 99 of them and its only really when your are leveling multiple crafting and gathering classes that you really experience the item bloat in your inventory.

Level 20/25 is very quick to get to and you should be able to reach those within a week or two of pretty casual play if you are following the story quests, job quests, etc. If you are trying to level by grinding mobs, well that doesn't work in this game.

As for the level limit requirement for the forums, I would guess that it is meant to be an attempt to prevent trolls from just creating accounts to troll the forums because you know people do actually do that a good amount in online forums.

As for the 1000 character limit for postings, yeah its sort of silly but has an easy work around.

Inflation starts at home. Any change they make to vendor prices would have to be balanced by a change to the costs of gil sinks. Net effect would be bigger numbers with no change in purchasing power. And there's no need to buy anything from crafters before you get your retainers. Everything you really need is available from vendors, and you get plenty to cover that from quests, leves, hests, etc.

The forum restrictions are weird. New players can post all they like in the New Player forum, though. And contrary to the warnings and stickies, off-topic posts (in any forum) don't tend to get any form of moderation (exhibit A: the website feedback forum, which is like 90% not website feedback), or at worst, moved to a more appropriate forum.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Level 20 unlocks retainers. It doesn't take long to get there.

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Well, not exactly. A level 20 main-story quest unlocks retainers. That doesn't mean you'll necessarily be there by the time your character hits level 20, not if you like to explore content or (for example) try out other classes (especially gathering/crafting classes) as you go along. Me personally, I dislike being 'railroaded' from A to B to C, which means I try to seek out any other things I can do before heading on to the next step/area, wanting to see how much the game will let me get away with before grabbing their cattle prods to get me back on track. On my first character (now sadly relegated to being an alt), I hit 50 well before doing the level 35 story-line quests. Sad? Probably. But that doesn't mean I'm the only one. One of the people I now and then play with on my current main character has hit lvl 50, but is still on the delivery quests to Costa.

It's true, if you focus on the main storyline it doesn't take too long to unlock retainers (and shortly thereafter getting your own chocobo to ride). The only thing I really objected to was the misleading "level 20 unlocks it" bit ^^

Use that low level gear convert it and turn it into GIL.
That's what you need to be doing with all the gil that seems to have no value.

The market board economy is absolutely horrible for new players right now. The prices are absolutely meant to gouge players who already have a level 50 class and are working on other ones. And we could set our crafts to lower, more reasonable prices, but you'll never see them anyway; other people will buy them up and relist them and the original price.

Am I the only one that thinks it's funny they set a level 25 requirement to posting, but refuse to set any form of level limit for chat ingame to push back against the RMT's?

I'm surprised you're having this much of an issue finding a crafter to help you make some gear, Balmung is just lousy with crafters that have nothing better to do.

You don't even need to worry about gil at low levels. Just get out there and do quests, FATEs, the main story and dungeons and you'll soon be leveling up and making gil on the side. Once you get retainers you can start selling things you get that you don't need on the market board.

Gil is worthless in this game, even at level 50 it's not needed to complete any of the battle content.

@OP : it doesnt screw up honest player, you just dont know how to make money or to be correct, not at the right lvl to earn money. As a lvl 28 DFR low lvl should open up and you get money from there

ps: the game give you gear, you WILL NOT need to buy any gear until you are 50 (if you want to do ifrit Hm right away), the game even give you starter armor set at lvl 50 too ._.

I dont think I sold a single item to npc or on mb until I was lvl 50 (only sold a few things recently cause armory and retainers full). Not once was I close to running out of gil. My armor came from quests or occassionally cheap crap from npc. Gear was mostly irrelevant until higher levels. I spent gil on TP, but easily made pleanty from quests and later leves. Whether an NPC gives 1 gil or 50 gil for useless armor seems irrelevant.

1. Gil acquisition isn't too terrible at low levels, to be honest. You can choose gil rewards from quests (the money bags sell for gil to NPCs), and there's plenty of those to go around til you hit 50. Or, you can claim gear rewards instead and be well equipped til 50. Either way, you won't need to have thousands of gil until then.

2+3. Forum posting rules are utter bull#@$%. Everyone's known it since they were added, and everyone's complained about it. SE seem content to bury their head in the sands about the matter however, so don't expect an official response unless someone literally holds Yoshi-P to ransom.

4. Connection issues are something we've all encountered at times, but rarely happens frequently. I'd suggest ensuring you're using the right data centre for your server to minimize connectivity issues.

1. What on earth are you spending your gil on to make you complain about gil at lower levels? I didn't even think about earning gil til I hit 50 with my first job, and by that time I had around 100k...from just leveling up. I was properly geared at all levels while leveling up as well. Sure, the game doesn't make it easy to make money until you have a few crafting jobs at 50, but at lower levels you don't even need gil for...anything. This game holds your hand and gives you gear for completing quests.

Edit: Teleports. I guess low levels use gil for teleports. I suppose that could be a problem if you're spamming the shit out of them, which is your fault entirely. Alternatively , just take chocobo porters.



2. The forums limit is complete nonsense, I agree. I loath having to edit nearly every goddamn message that I type out, just to fit everything in one post and not clutter the thread.
"To limit clutter on the forums, let's keep it to 1,000 characters per post. That'll do it" -Somebody at SE, 2013


4. This is something that was plaguing me about a month ago. I'd get 90k'd every 20 minutes or so. Luckily it resolved itself somehow, I haven't been DC'd for a while.

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Originally Posted by KIka93

2Questing does not generate an income that can compete with the price gougers that are crafters at times

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Sorry, I spent time and gil leveling and gearing my crafter. The things I make require materials and time. People exchange their gil for my materials and my time. The thing of it is, you can't sell items for a higher price than the market will bear. I check item history when listing things. If an item is selling for 10k, I'm going to list it for 10k; why would I list it for less, even if it's low level gear? That's just inviting someone to buy my item and relist it for a higher price. Honestly, most of the people paying 5-10k gil per piece for armor/weapons on the market are people that already have level 50's and are leveling up alts. Personally, I make my own gear to level in since I have all the DoH classes at 50. I also make gear for lower levels in my FC to help them level up faster.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

Most people I know get their gear, in low levels, by the main/side/class quests. The rewards from such quests were also decent enough that you can buy gear from the NPC vendors too.

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Originally Posted by Maero

I that the market board does have stupid crazy prices (people try to take advantage of others) but we were all new players at some point.
I for one for most of my classes just went with the gear you get from quests or dungeon drops.
Could always ask a crafter to make you gear if you know any

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Exactly. The gear given in the quests is fine to level in. Dungeon drops are even better. I disagree with you saying that crafters are taking advantage, though. Newbies aren't the only section of the playerbase that buy low-level gear.

Level 1-15: You don't need anything more than an appropriate level weapon. The game provides this for you through quests, and they're also very cheap to buy from NPC. If you also want some armor, you can either get it through quests, or just buy it from NPCs, again, very cheap at these levels. The game's quests reward you enough to afford it all.

Anything higher: You can gear through dungeon drops.

Don't need to use the market board at all.

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Originally Posted by KIka93

1.) The loot sells for 1 gil each?

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By the time I hit 50 I had over 1 million gil. Most of your gil comes from quests. Don't buy gear at all unless you are actually having problems somehow (never experienced this). Generally using the stuff that drops in dungeons is more than sufficient for the leveling process. Aside from teleports, you don't need gil for anything until lvl 50 anyway. Take the money from quests, don't throw it away on grey rewards and worthless potions.

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Originally Posted by KIka93

2.) The Forum. I had to level up over lvl 25

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So like... play for 1 or 2 days, and then post. If you haven't barely played the game yet it's highly unlikely you have any valid opinions or complaints.

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Originally Posted by KIka93

3.) A 1000 character limit on forum posts?

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Agreed, but as others have pointed out, it can be bypassed. (like this post)

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Originally Posted by KIka93

4.) The connection issues.

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I'm in the USA and basically never have connection issues, that said, it's always great to have better connectivity. Don't equate "data servers" directly to an actual quantity of server resources available, they aren't directly related.

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Originally Posted by Paruza

I'm in the USA and basically never have connection issues, that said, it's always great to have better connectivity. Don't equate "data servers" directly to an actual quantity of server resources available, they aren't directly related.

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You are full of crap.

90k error, stop and go lag, this has been happening for months now with no fix and its still happening, nothing wrong with my connection it's SE.

I can go play any other game perfect connection np FFXI np here in ffxiv problem.
I don't drop from other games except for FFXIV and its the main reason why I stopped playing the original FFXIV cause of so many problems.
But I am gonna stick to the game this time but this doesn't mean if this continues through few more years I don't see this game surviving.

Though if people keep playing even with the problems its because the game is very good which it is but some people get sick of dropping.

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

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Only connection issues I have are when my router/modem decide to crap out and I have to reboot them. SE isn't at fault for the connection issues - it's bad routing in between us and the servers. Do a tracert or pathping, it's pretty easy to figure out where it's going wrong. Do your research before pointing fingers, because Paruza isn't full of crap - and it's not the servers either.

On topic: If you really were running out of money before you hit 50, you're buying too much junk that you'll be replacing in likely a few hours of gameplay. My alt had at least 300k at 50 by just blasting through the main story. More than enough gear drops to go around.

Money isn't really a big issue, to be honest! You don't need to be buying a lot from crafters for a good portion of your early Eorzean career. Almost all of the sufficient gear can be bought from NPCs in the different settlements for much cheaper and.. hint! Once you get a retainer you can resell npc gear for a decent penny depending on what it is! While I have a legacy character and had a decent wallet leftover from 1.0, I made money reselling coral rings from the npc 10 steps from the market board. So check out the npc shops for your gear needs until you get a crafter/retainer, it's more than sufficient. Convert your gear. Run dungeons and use the loot. Join the grand companies and do the missions! Leves! Plenty of sources of gil :)