Novus Vs the Un-Weathered Weapons...what gives?

So...in the midst of my second book for Stardust Rod Animus atm, and actually quite enjoying it as a quest structure, but I'm looking at this 75 alexandrite (sp?) bullshit I'm bound for afterwards and checking out the stats for the Laevateinn, which are seemingly the same (materia choice depending).

So what the heck?

They kind of have to keep making the 'relic' weapons be 'the best' because of the ridiculous hurdles required to attain the every single upgrade...

And yet I have an Unidentified Allagan Tombstone, so I'm less than 1500 soldiery away from a weapon that's on par with a Novus?

Was gonna use the UAT for my secondary class (Warrior) but now...not sure.

Can someone assure me that the Novus it actually worth it?

Technically novus is the only content that's worth doing, it's the only content out right now that will be bis or near bis when 2nd coil is all on farm and we've moved past it.

If you want to see what the future holds for relic weapons, do it. The step after Novus is coming in 2.38. Optimizing its stats now will mean at least any upgrade in the future will be a good weapon.

If you don't care and just want aa i110 weapon, get your unweathered weapon and work on your Novus as a side thing. Whatever ilvl relic becomes, the time barrier they put in will mean only those able to dedicate hundreds of hours upfront will enjoy it long enough before it becomes basically obsolete sidegrade like Novus is now.

Well keep in mind that the relic will likely have even more stages to it (there's one coming in 2.28, but we don't know exactly what it'll entail yet) and according to SE any future upgrades will keep the stats you put on your Novus, giving the weapons a wild amount of potential if you build them properly.

I've gotten the Novus weapon on my Summoner because it's my main job, but even though I do play other jobs I cannot see myself going through all of that again. In fact, the only way I would go through that huuuuge timesink and even gilsink again would be if Dark Knight was released and I enjoyed it enough to make it my second or maybe new first main job. Note: I am really, really, looking forward to Dark Knight being a Job someday. Even so, I am not sure if I really want to go through all of that again even for a new Job that I would even be really excited about like I would be for Dark Knight.

I will continue to work on the relic upgrades as they come out for my Summoner, because I have already gotten this far, it would be a waste to not continue it and further improve this weapon.

As others have said the relic weapon will keep on upgrading. That unweathered weapon will remain like that when 2.4 hits. Relic is supposed to be the weapon of your main class, unweathered one is supposed to go on you second or third class since barely anyone will bother repeating the quest.

The biggest advantage of relic apart from the fact that will never become obsolete is stat personalization. On my static there are 2 warriors, the other guy has a soldiery weapon with tons of acc and he's sitting on 580 acc which is an overkill and waste of stats. Relic will get respec soon which will make it even better.

If the un-weathered have not the stats you want or too much of the wrong stat, Novus is better.

The 75 alexandrites are nicer than you think, I'd take another novus again, but I despised animus so much. Almost anything you do gives myth nowadays, so theres so many ways to get alexandrite maps. It almost feel like it's in the background, completing itself.

I did novus myself cause that save 3 weeks worth of soldierys and i could gear faster my char.

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Originally Posted by dinantes

So...in the midst of my second book for Stardust Rod Animus atm, and actually quite enjoying it as a quest structure, but I'm looking at this 75 alexandrite (sp?) bullshit I'm bound for afterwards and checking out the stats for the Laevateinn, which are seemingly the same (materia choice depending).

So what the heck?

They kind of have to keep making the 'relic' weapons be 'the best' because of the ridiculous hurdles required to attain the every single upgrade...

And yet I have an Unidentified Allagan Tombstone, so I'm less than 1500 soldiery away from a weapon that's on par with a Novus?

Was gonna use the UAT for my secondary class (Warrior) but now...not sure.

Can someone assure me that the Novus it actually worth it?

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Have a look at the stats of the Laevateinn. It might be nice if you have problems reaching the Accuracy caps for Coil but a BML shouldn't have a problem with it anyways. A weapon for a DD should focus on Damage and nothing else so the ACC stat on it is a waste in my eyes, only usable as a temporary solution or as a compromise.

The Relict weapon on the other side is fully customizable and will, as others have stated already in this thread, receive more updates in the Future so if you don't do it, you fall behind with each new update they release and once you decide that you want it, you start from scratch. And if you do not belong to the top raiders who can get the Coil weapon quickly, this will be your best weapon for many months.

"The relic can upgrade" is not really a good point.
It'll take time to upgrade a relic to the next step.
It'll take time to drop a better weapon in the next item tier.
The only difference is that you can choose the stats, but that's a huge difference, given that other i110 weapon can have a less useful stat. AND, if the i110 weapon has a bonus to Deter (Although, not sure if that happens), it'll actually have less total stat bonuses that the Novus.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

"The relic can upgrade" is not really a good point.
It'll take time to upgrade a relic to the next step.
It'll take time to drop a better weapon in the next item tier.
The only difference is that you can choose the stats, but that's a huge difference, given that other i110 weapon can have a less useful stat. AND, if the i110 weapon has a bonus to Deter (Although, not sure if that happens), it'll actually have less total stat bonuses that the Novus.

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Well, the thing people forget is that in the grand scheme of things, secondary stat differences mean very little. 5% at best between a 110 with non optimal stats, or even no secondaries, vs one with optimal.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Well, the thing people forget is that in the grand scheme of things, secondary stat differences mean very little. 5% at best between a 110 with non optimal stats, or even no secondaries, vs one with optimal.

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Since you can easily attain Accuracy cap with only armor and accessories while focusing on another primary stat, any weapon with a lot of accuracy has a fair chance to be far from optimal.
And DPS wise, skill speed boost is pretty low compared to Crit or Deter.

For example, my "cheap" Curtana Nova is +18 Deter, +24, Crit, +11 Acc. Burtgang is +22 Accu and +22 Deter, so it's really worse.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Since you can easily attain Accuracy cap with only armor and accessories while focusing on another primary stat, any weapon with a lot of accuracy has a fair chance to be far from optimal.
And DPS wise, skill speed boost is pretty low compared to Crit or Deter.

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It's still minimal, again, 5% at best.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I've compared Weathered Conqueror and HA Great Axe while keeping the rest of my gear the same using this calculator :http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ut-calculator/
The difference between the two, DPS wise, is 6%

Would you skip high-allagan weapon ? :p

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Thing is High Allagan is i115, so it has a Weapon/Magic Damage and Primary Stat bump, which outweigh ANY sub stat combination they may have in comparison to an i110 weapon.

Specifically from a BLM point of view: If you are doing 2nd coil and getting high allagan armor, you are NOT going to need that accuracy from the laevathin (spelling). If you are NOT getting 2nd coil gear, you will need the accuracy. However.. it should be said that the only content you really need accuracy cap 471 for is.. well.. 2nd coil.

My honest black mage opinion? Get the novus. Because spell speed and determination (or SS, DET and some PIE to get to 251 natural PIE) is WAY better than the insane ACC and moderate SS on the Laevathin.

Also... dat glow.

To me the Nouvs is a long term investment, which you will be able to upgrade in coming patches. Ive gotten my whm done and currently working on my sch. Tbh, going from Animus to Novus isn't all that bad.

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Originally Posted by ispano

It's still minimal, again, 5% at best.

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I've compared Weathered Conqueror and HA Great Axe while keeping the rest of my gear the same using this calculator : http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ut-calculator/
The difference between the two, DPS wise, is 6%

Would you skip high-allagan weapon ? :p

I'd have to disagree on one point that the OP made: making the relic quest line the best available weapon. This is mainly because I'm so far behind(4/12 atmas) and it will take me far longer to complete it since everybody is already past that stage. If SE decides to make the relic weapon the best available weapon in the future, then I'd have no choice but to start at the very beginning and I'm not looking forward to it.

I did my relics for bard, smn, sch, and blm up to Zenith. I was intending to go farther but then I saw all of the ridiculous hoops you have to go through... I'm sorry but I play a game to have fun. Not to endure it.

Dungeons = fun
Coil = fun
CT = fun when you're not surrounded by idiots. (did a server only run...smooth as butter and everyone joking and laughing.)

10,000 Fates = not fun (yes I know, I'm exaggerating a bit...or am I. there are those who can't get out of atma for lack of luck)
God knows how many Myth to buy books that give you a long list of monsters, dungeons, and yes...more fates to do.
millions upon millions gil worth of materia to finally make the perfect weapon...that lasts 1 and a half month before the new tier drops.

I'm having more fun spiritbinding materia to overcharge those gluttons for punishment. I hope the next advancement for Relic involves materia too. I'd like to get a nice medium personal house. I have one scouted out...that is if they use the same housing ward design.

At least with CT/dungeons/Coil, I have a chance of coming out of the run with something even if it's just Soldiery tomes. All of the above...you do that for one item. The work does not equal the reward.

Novus weapons are fully customizable, and in many cases they exceed the power of the unweathered. Consider for example the Thyrus Novus; if you maximize PIE/DET on that you have superior numbers in those stats compared to the Yagrush, and you even have 11 points left over you can throw into acc or crit or whatever you like.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I've compared Weathered Conqueror and HA Great Axe while keeping the rest of my gear the same using this calculator : http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ut-calculator/
The difference between the two, DPS wise, is 6%

Would you skip high-allagan weapon ? :p

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Same point applies.

By the time most people get an High-Allegan weapon, a superior weapon that is easier to get will show up. So yes, they would skip it.

The Relic/Zodiac weapon path is mainly for those who want customized stats and a weapon they'd like to keep for the long haul.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I've compared Weathered Conqueror and HA Great Axe while keeping the rest of my gear the same using this calculator : http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ut-calculator/
The difference between the two, DPS wise, is 6%

Would you skip high-allagan weapon ? :p

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That's completely irrelevant though, as there is a jump in weapon damage. You would be better off comparing a Novus to an unweathered weapon.

Secondary stats on weapons only aren't going to make any significant difference in DPS (apart from accuracy in certain situations). Even 5% is rather generous given what you have shown above.

This is why you are better off getting a soldiery weapon and just doing whatever activity provides a new weapon rather than going through the pain of relic for 0.5% increase in DPS.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

The 75 alexandrites are nicer than you think, I'd take another novus again, but I despised animus so much. Almost anything you do gives myth nowadays, so theres so many ways to get alexandrite maps. It almost feel like it's in the background, completing itself.

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My personal un-favorite was Atma. Friggin RNG crap. That's what keeps me from doing another Novus.

I feel the same way on ATMA. SE is going to need to buff this. Players have been begging for this for a while. I'd personally Animus my Relics but can't bring my self to do the Atma part.

on a funny note I'm not even trying to get Atma's but I've gotten 4 Atmas doing the Daily Hunt Mark fate Monsters. Hilarious.:D now ATMA's are just messing me.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

My personal un-favorite was Atma. Friggin RNG crap. That's what keeps me from doing another Novus.

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if it wasn't for Atma i would have a Novus done by now with how many Allied Seals i have and how many myth materials i've sold for gil.

still only ever gotten 5 Atma since the quest was released.

I just feel an incoming epic nerf to atma and animus. Coz, with soldiery uncapped in the near future, a 110 UAT would be a bit too much faceroll to ignore for new players ( and us wanting to gear alts )

Depending on the abilities you put on your Novus, the secondaries will equate to being stronger than unweathered. But arguably not by much.


I see them nerfing Atma though. It's way too easy to get unweathered i110 now. And with hunts, I think it's actually easier to finish your Novus than it is to finish the Atma quest.

But the new relic upgrade is coming and it would be nice if Atma was a little bit easier for new people. Just providing alternatives would be fun.

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Originally Posted by Vaara

That's completely irrelevant though, as there is a jump in weapon damage. You would be better off comparing a Novus to an unweathered weapon.

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When I say "I've compared", of course I took into account the increased weapon damage in the calculation. The difference is still "only" 6%.

The OP asked if Novus is worth it :
- Is it better than unweathered ? Undoubtedly, even if the difference is not groundbreaking
- Is it worth the gil spent ? A cheap Novus is still better, and there's not much item to spend lots of gils into anyway, so yes, it's worth it.

It's not the best in the game, never has been, never will be.

It was created to give those who afraid to raid a weapon they have no use for.

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Originally Posted by Logo

It's not the best in the game, never has been, never will be.

It was created to give those who afraid to raid a weapon they have no use for.

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That's about the dumbest thing I've read today. Good job.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

I just feel an incoming epic nerf to atma and animus. Coz, with soldiery uncapped in the near future, a 110 UAT would be a bit too much faceroll to ignore for new players ( and us wanting to gear alts )

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This woul be in 2.4, where with a high chance relict can reach ilevel 115 while UAT would be still ilevel 110.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

But the new relic upgrade is coming and it would be nice if Atma was a little bit easier for new people. Just providing alternatives would be fun.

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A alternative way could be Hunt, maybe same dropchance like the books ^^

I'd rather do my works in real life and make money instead of those relic quests.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I'd rather do my works in real life and make money instead of those relic quests.

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For what? Interesting for me :)
I have
- private fc with small house
Want
- crafting facilities - 600-800k each in my world
- train chokobo to rank 20 - onion seed costs 2m in my world
- private house in addition to fc's one - 1m.?

What's further?

I'm currently @ animus stage with my relic and it sure is a lot of work. Honestly not even sure if it's worth it. People seem to be forgetting how much work/gil there is in the relic from animus to the novus. 6 Hours of spiritbonding and only one tierIV det materia. Just wondering why SE would even add such a stupid process. This clearly helps the RMTs. I mean who isn't buying the RMT materia from the marketboard to finish their Novus? :mad:

I agree whole heartedly

it took me twice (or 3 times) the time to make the Novus than the time I actually used it until I got High Allagan...
if I knew I would have stick with the Soldier weapons

Relic Weapons > Weathered Weapons

End of Story

I still on Dragoon Animus (13/75) and it seems i just wasted UAT on a useless Weathered Upgraded DGN weapon. The only useful thing the weapon can do is skill speed to rape my TP or give it to my retainer for a big iLv boost for rare items....50% i get Furniture, 20% random gears but 100% a random Fish because she is a Miqo'te -.-

The un weathered i110 weapon is a joke and a disgrace for BLMs everywhere. Go with the novus for sure.