this was my first experience with tank swapping however something that annoyed me to no end is tanks that want to just use provoke and have to king stroll over to them meanwhile when i grab the king i run into tomahawk range so i can immediately follow provoke with it. i had to adapt to thier crap by not using any cooldowns till it strolled over. one tank even had the nerve to get mad at me when i used second wind and it came back to me.
so i beat mog EX however.....
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09-05-2014, 11:24 PMZoeilaso i beat mog EX however.....
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09-06-2014, 02:19 AMSirTaint
Same thing happens with the Spiny in Garuda EX. Bad tanks out number good ones by a large margin.
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09-06-2014, 03:02 AMKrindorSpiny is a bugged up piece of **** so I can understand that, as for tanks that tries EX modes without knowing how to tank swap correctly, there are way too many.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirTaint
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09-06-2014, 05:27 AMRhazeCain
Yep, this illustrates nicely why tank swapping involves some player skill and communication.
Experienced tanks know how it works: both how to do it, and how to see what went wrong if it does go wrong.
Would hate to see a game without at least a little challenge such as this. -
09-06-2014, 05:50 AMmonochromicornreally, you shouldnt even have to use that, unless your healers suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoeila
and spiny, if the tank is the one that deals damage to it, and not the dps, then all you should have to do is provoke it. OT shouldnt be taking damage, and if he is, it should be healed by a healer. if the OT continues to attack it, its his fault if he keeps spiny. there is no reason a provoke shouldnt work. the OT should have the hate built up enough that healers wont take it, and nobody should be doing any damage to it by the time the MT takes it -
09-06-2014, 05:53 AMEstelliosSelf buffs will pull the spiny or any voked enemy back to you if the other tank doesn't do anything at all to it. Shield Lob or Tomahawk is all it takes and barely does any damage. Spiny shouldn't be getting low enough for one hit to risk killing it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by monochromicorn
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09-06-2014, 06:26 AMmonochromicornas far as self buffs go, neither i nor my tank buddy, ever have problems with that, and i never just provoke, as provoke on its own isnt actually helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
and i said you shouldnt have to. -
09-08-2014, 04:31 PMLukeyP666How is the Spiny bugged? When it spawns, it aggros onto whoever is second on Garuda's enmity list. Provoking it works the same way as how you should Provoke anything in the sense that it will only put you at +1 point of enmity over whoever was top of the list, which as we all know means that you need to follow up with a Tomahawk/Shield Lob or whatever to secure it if its a ranged pull like Mog XM and the Spiny on Garuda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krindor
If someone is just using Provoke and not following it up with an enmity-modified attack, they're doing it wrong.
I think he means in the particular example of Mog XM. If the Tanks are doing it right and the King isn't buffing the other Moogles, they hit like wet noodles so shouldn't require too much healing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
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09-09-2014, 10:21 AMKrindorSpiny doesn't have a regular aggro table as otherwise the healers would get the aggro, no matter what it's impossible for a tank to keep aggro on something with 1 tomahawk if the healers are healing as the aggro generated by 1 tomahawk is equal to 3 cure ones. From all my runs of Garuda EX I've had it bug a couple of times were it would just get aggro back even after provoke, as no one is to touch spiny that +1 aggro is a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeyP666
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09-09-2014, 05:38 PMLukeyP666That isn't bugging, that's you not holding it properly. Just stand with your back to it so you aren't auto-attacking it and use Flash to keep it on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krindor
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09-10-2014, 04:31 AMKrindorLike I mentioned this only happens once in a while, about 1/10 where Spiny spawns with a regular aggro table and does insist on sticking to a healer which probably does not work as intended, I don't know how much aggro it has on engage so that it's possible for tanks to keep it, flash's 1000 aggro isn't enough to keep the spiny of healers if it would have a regular aggro table, I don't know exactly how healers enmity works, but I guess it's potency based like everything else which makes 3 non-crit cures generate more aggro than a flash and as a warrior we have 3-4 flashes until the mana is gone meaning that at best it's possible to keep spiny for 9-12 heals.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeyP666
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09-12-2014, 08:28 AMDrtoxicmedica
Even if it picks a healer with a fresh medica 2 going out I still hold aggro. Just flash till your empty if your a warrior and then let the mt put a combo into it. If you really want to have butchers block proc\\\\'d voke then hit it. If your in a pug or party finder group it\\\\'s never a bad Idea to play it safe. Same with mog ex, if in duty finder just voke then shield lob don\\\\'t even have to moe much and it\\\\'s safer
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09-12-2014, 08:40 AMmonochromicorn
what i would normally do on spiny, if i start with it, i voke it while its on the outer portion of the arena, or shield lob, comes straight to me, and i will do one or 2 hate combos on it. if i am mt, i will voke it and finish my combo on it. it generates enough hate to keep it on me until garuda goes up, and i dont do a lot of damage to it.
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09-13-2014, 03:07 AMSakasa
On the King thing since technically you shouldnt be attacking the king per say the swap should work with out a hitch with just a provoke so they are out of the middle of the arena. On that note I don't trust that either and I put storm's path on the king before every tackle so if the other tank is not swapping while the King's singing animation is up a shield lob or tomahawk will be needed.
On the plume it doesn't exactly work by enmity table assignment on Garuda's table because every time I mt run Ex I get the feather on me at least once I think that is because it spawns behind me in my tank zone and since I do not use overpower or sc in that fight as mt it might override the mechanic if some one face checks it before interaction from another or its auto assignment occurs. -
09-13-2014, 04:31 AMSessurea
Lucky you, I been bashing my head in DF for weeks. Half the partys in DF are so bad, they start trying to pass themselves off as trolls after a while. Warrior w/o provoke anyone? Absolute silence when u ask dps who will babysit blm/whm? I queue for it as dps and as healer sometimes. Nope, always mess ups. People aren't even trying to identify what exactly went wrong....
I'm almost at the point of just buying this fight, but the people on odin who sell runs love to price these fights toward people who buy gil. Really, 1m for mog? brb laughing. -
09-13-2014, 06:17 AMRhazeCainTo get off on a side topic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sessurea
A: "Hey team, come help me sell Mog fight!"
B: "How much are we making?"
A: "1m divided 7 ways"
B: "hmm, no thanks, I'll keep doing what I'm doing"
As a point of comparison, a single Savage Might IV materia can sell for over 500k on Behemoth. Assuming your server is similar, then you can reasonably make 1m in a (kinda long) day's farming. Two days if you're unlucky. Or way more if you invest in higher ilvl items to convert.
Bottom line: The folks selling runs can usually do most encounters (of the ones for sale) for the same amount of effort. So selling an "easy" run for small amount of money is just a waste of time.
That said, people should just join a group that will regularly do such things together instead of buying. FC, LS, static, etc. If you don't, then even once past Mog there will just be another encounter in the same situation - might as well just stop here. -
09-14-2014, 05:45 PMsubteraneanbirdSpiny starts with 10000 aggro on either a random player or whoever it spots first. Which usually ends up being random anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sakasa