You know there is an issue when you are in a full party and all are fighting from the time the S rank was pulled and the group only gets 5 Allied Seals and 20 Allagan tomestones of mythology. I am hearing this is due to some of the people having formed an alliance so the 8 man groups are getting lowest credit for the fight. I really think these should act more like fates where an individual gets full credit if he or she is participating. It is very frustrating to actually be there for all or most of a boss's health and be constantly attacking and get the lowest possible reward :(.
Hunt credit needs some work.
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09-01-2014, 06:33 AMVasalaHunt credit needs some work.
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09-01-2014, 06:36 AMPArcher
If you have no tanks in tank stance, or WHM spamming Medica 2...you're not going to get a lot of credit on an S.
SMN and SCH prob have it worst too (bringing in very little aggro), since DoTs don't always stick with too many people. -
09-01-2014, 06:46 AMpermbannedDoTs always stick, regardless of whether or not you can see it on the mob's status bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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09-01-2014, 06:52 AMPArcherNot that. Sometimes DoTs actually have no effect (as if you were trying to stun a stunned enemy). Can see it esp as a SMN when you try to Fester after using all 3 and seeing them "hit"...but the Fester does heavily reduced (if any) damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by permbanned
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09-01-2014, 07:05 AMgamesmartTotal amount of debuffs on any given enemy caps out at 60, actually. Anything more throws out the old ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by permbanned
OT: More WHMs, more healing, more aggro, more credit. It usually works. (Or more tanks.) -
09-01-2014, 09:46 AMMykll
No credit unless you have the mark. No fighting the other 100 people for credit. Fixed.
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09-01-2014, 05:50 PMFynlar
The fact that it's even advised to load up on WHMs and haphazardly spam unnecessary AoE heals solely for the sake of building more hate should already say on its own how broken the system is.
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09-01-2014, 06:13 PMZaftI agree, but on the other hand, the massive spam of heals means that most people actually survive, compared to GW2 world bosses where 90% of the people were on the ground trying to bandage themselves before they bled out because lolhealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
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09-01-2014, 06:24 PMOoshimaBe glad that there are actually WHMs in your party, because half of the DDs out there are pretty idiotic and dies to the S rank's mechanics. Without WHM spamming Medica II and raising these bumps, where do you get your 50 Allied Seals (or even a consolation 30?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
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09-01-2014, 06:30 PMFynlarGood. Maybe if people actually died these mobs would live longer than 20 seconds.Quote:
I agree, but on the other hand, the massive spam of heals means that most people actually survive, compared to GW2 world bosses where 90% of the people were on the ground trying to bandage themselves before they bled out because lolhealing.
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09-02-2014, 04:25 PMMykll
And we would actually be able to see said mechanics.
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09-02-2014, 05:58 PMViridianaYou keep saying this, but it would absolutely kill the amount of seals coming in. I'm not sure you realize how undesirable that actually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykll
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09-03-2014, 03:45 AMMykll
It is only undesirable by those that want the greatest reward with the least amount of effort. It was undesirable to fix certain Fates from being farmed endlessly. Don't you dare finish that Fate, we farming here! It was undesirable to sort of nerf speed runs, as more and more new dungeons are in place with such mechanics as locked doors and such. It was undesirable to fix B ranks but SE knew they had to do something. Let's say every day I log in, my inventory gets filled with that job's first and second best in slot in all slots. Then what? You are full ilvl 115. Now what? There is no content where you have to be that in order to run it. But you have to get away from the hunts first. Limiting those seals, like all other tomes before are/once were, or the way both CTs are/was, is not a bad thing.
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09-03-2014, 05:48 AMViridiana
Let's consider just what your idea would mean for hunts. . .
B Ranks: Pretty much already fire-and-forget. 50 seals per week for like 5 minutes of commitment. Pretty much something to do in the morning before work on a Wednesday, then wish that B ranks weren't useless for the rest of the week.
A Ranks: Currently about 340 seals per 3 hour cycle, assuming you can hit everything. That's nearly 15 hours per i70 vanity weapon. It's 6 hours per vanity armor, 9 hours each for chest and leg. If A ranks went the way of B ranks, even keeping the old proportions so it's 200 seals per A rank, that's still 5 weeks just to get a vanity chest piece, assuming you buy nothing else. Nineteen weeks for a full set of vanity armor, plus another 9 weeks for the weapon. Half a year of A ranks just to get a full vanity set.
S Ranks: 500 seals a week? Maybe that'd be nice, but it assumes that you even see that S rank in any given week. They'd have to change how S ranks work so, so much. 36 hour respawns when you only have a week to kill them? No, thanks. Is your mark for the week South Thanalan's S rank? Good luck spawning it! Is it North Shroud's? Hope you can catch Judgerays or can convince someone else to do it for you! Basically, it would mean that hunters would be practically forced to level all their gathering classes to 50 and gear them out just to have a reliable chance to spawn their own marks, because you no longer have an entire server of hunters trying to do it. Be prepared to see the forums explode with "How the hell am I supposed to spawn this, SE?" and "I finally spawned it, but someone else ninja-pulled before I could get there!" reports. Seriously, you think the complaints are vocal now? Just try to imagine what would actually happen if what you're suggesting went through. . . -
09-03-2014, 09:10 AMJacost
I know I keep posting my own idea, maybe I should start my own thread for it at some point, but...
B ranks need to replace FATEs as the daily 10 mark hunts. Viridiana is right, they spend most of the week just sitting there pointlessly.
A ranks, if made into the weekly marks, should have a system in place that allows the rest of the mark holder's party to get a reward of their own, say 30 marks for the holder and 5 for everyone else. Most likely they'd still be sitting useless for most of the week, but every Tuesday evening people would team up among FC's, LS's or PF, hunt down that group's 8 marks, and walk away with 65 seals each at the end. They'd have to deal with the mechanics as a party, the way the mark was intended to be fought, and those kind of fights tend to be more fun (imo, of course) than the solo battles. It would be something to look forward to rather than a chore.
S ranks can stay as they are. They're meant to be special and epic, and while it would be nice to fight one with an alliance and nothing else, I think it's worth the price of having something open-world. Especially if people need to co-ordinate in order to even spawn them.
In addition, they could add another mark rank - SS or EX or something -, remake Odin and Behemoth into such encounters and add more to Thanalan, La Noscea and Mor Dhona. That's more a thought than an actual idea, though.