What I mean is:
Can we get quests that aren't marked on the map (or mini-map) and only trigger by speaking with NPCs scattered throughout Eorzea? Sometimes you discover people in really out of the way places and it would be nice if talking to them triggered some kind of non-FATE event or quest line. The reward could be vanity items! Perhaps some NPCs only show up at certain times of day or weather? It could be like the sightseeing log but less specific...
I just love talking to the NPCs, and it'd be nice if something interesting happened every once in a while. It would also encourage more participation in the open world and perhaps increase foot traffic to some places that have been neglected (Old Maid's Mill, Silver Bazaar etc.)
For example, "Zombies are People Too" is the perfect kind of secret quest line! You get it from an out of the way NPC (Hab in Sagolii Desert), and it rewards you with vanity (Cactuar Cutting minion). Now imagine if it didn't show up on the map and you had to speak with him during a heat wave (perhaps the heat drove off his friends ^_^).
I would love this and it would add a lot of atmosphere!
Can We Get Secret Quests?!
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08-31-2014, 02:58 AMgivemeraptorsCan We Get Secret Quests?!
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08-31-2014, 03:01 AMGerolan
Their is one that matches your request, go to horzion, sort of half way between horizon and vesper is an npc that gives a a quest, I think it's called "the greatest secret never told" nothing appears on map ever and you have to work it out yourself
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08-31-2014, 03:12 AMgivemeraptorsThat's the reverse. It shows up on your map and afterwards you get no hints. What I want is for it to not show up on your map, but proceed like a regular quest after you "pop" it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerolan
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08-31-2014, 03:59 AMcoldreactiveThe riddle quests don't have anything on the maps. No orange circle, nothing. In fact, when attempting to open the map for half the quest, you get an error message stating the map cannot be opened now.Quote:
Originally Posted by givemeraptors
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08-31-2014, 04:05 AMlololink
There wouldn't be any point for these quests to be hidden, people will discover how to do them and put everything on the internet in less than a week.
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08-31-2014, 04:29 AMShougun
WoW has a number of quests that can be picked up by getting loot drops and finding objects in the open world. Some of that would be awesome. Stumbling upon some of the longer lore packed quest chains in WoW was really neat experience (a few of them are upwards to 20 chains, packed full of information).
This list is alright: http://www.wowwiki.com/Long,_excepti...den_questlines
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08-31-2014, 05:06 AMgivemeraptorsNo, what I mean is that the original NPC that gives you the message is marked on your map. After you talk to him you have nothing showing you where to go. I'm asking for an NPC that ISN'T marked on your map, can give you a quest and THEREAFTER proceed like normal (with markers and the like).Quote:
Originally Posted by coldreactive
I don't look stuff up online, and I'm sure there's a lot of people who do the same, or only look up quests in regards to endgame raiding. This would be very fun content for that segment of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by lololink
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08-31-2014, 05:16 AMEnkidoh
In other words you want the FFXI-style of questing:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ha...illy-large.jpg
While such a method of questing in RPGs can be rewarding, at the other end of the scale it can be downright frustrating to have to run around clicking on NPCs just to find a specific quest you just know is there, but can't find, leading to endless frustration.
And as has been stated, usually this just would result in the player finding other ways of locating the desired quest by simply looking online for the information, either through official channels like a strategy guidebook, or on a website. All SE has done with the hand-holding system in ARR is cut out this middleman by showing you exactly where you have to go without this extra hassle.
Maybe the fix to this would be to have the 'best of both worlds' - by keeping the current hand-holding system as default, but add an option in System Settings that can turn off the Duty List and quest notification icons above NPCs if desired for those like you that want the challenge of finding quests accidentally. -
08-31-2014, 05:59 AMgivemeraptors
I think you guys are getting me mixed up. I'll try and clarify:
1) Right now all available quests are marked on your map...AND
2) Once you start a quest there are markers and highlighted areas showing you where to go.
The exception to this rule is the "Greatest Secret" quest. This quest is:
1) Marked as an available quest on your map...BUT
2) Once accepted there are no markers or highlighted areas to show you where to go.
What I am asking for is:
1) A quest that is NOT marked as available on your map...BUT
2) Once accepted, there are markers and highlighted areas to show you where to go.
I am NOT asking for:
1) A quest that is not marked as available on your map...AND
2) Once accepted, there are no markers and highlighted areas to show you where to go.
The only "secret" part is obtaining the quest. Some people will just look up everything online, but I think there are a large amount of players (like myself) who will be more than happy to stumble across it accidentally.
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08-31-2014, 06:08 AMDark-SaviourHence why the internet is the worst thing to happen to online games.Quote:
Originally Posted by lololink
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08-31-2014, 06:13 AMlololinkThere is a lot of irony in this ^^.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour
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08-31-2014, 06:17 AMgivemeraptors
Well, just because people will look it up online doesn't mean that it shouldn't be added. Otherwise what is the point of the Sightseeing Log or the "Greatest Secret" quest? A lot of people will always want to do it themselves, and this is the perfect game since it brings in a crowd that is a little more laid back (see: endless threads about whether to look up endgame fights beforehand or not).
Could also help curb that aspect by making certain aspects of the spawn randomly generated for each player. For instance, maybe for one player it needs to be raining and the NPC shows up in Gridania, or it needs to be foggy and the NPC will show up in Limsa Lominsa.
I just think it would be nice if we were rewarded (or could be) by talking to the NPC present in the world, because a lot of them are interesting, and it'd be nice to see other players interacting with the general NPC population. It would also encourage people to walk/run/ride places because they could talk to people along the way. The people who will just look stuff up aren't going to be contributing to the exploration of the open-world anyway because they are more focused on the destination not the journey. -
08-31-2014, 06:26 AMlololinkThat's not the same thing at all, the Greatest Secret quest tells you what to do, it's not a secret quest, it's a riddle quest. If the NPC would be complaining out loud that he has a problem then why not ( but then it's the same as putting a big ! above their head ), butQuote:
Originally Posted by givemeraptors
Would be just stupid, it would be just luck to speak to the good NPC at the good time or something.Quote:
Now imagine if it didn't show up on the map and you had to speak with him during a heat wave (perhaps the heat drove off his friends ^_^).
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08-31-2014, 06:40 AMgivemeraptors:confused: -- A secret quest would also tell you what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by lololink
Again, the only secret part is that the quests aren't marked on the map. And I'm not talking about "DEFEAT LEVIATHAN" quests, I'm talking about like, "I lost my pets!" or "Craft me some boots!"