Seriously, fix the Elemental Destabilization..

I just started a synth, used Standard synth once and destabilized lightning..

Not a big deal, makes crafting a little challenging..

Fourth Standard Synths later 40% complete, still destabilized...

Fourth more synths now at 80%, still destabilized...

Synth number ten, 95% complete, still destabilized..

Synth number eleven, shatter..

This doesn't seem broken to you? This destabilization balancing is out of control and needs to be addressed. It's one thing for this to happen and create a challenge, but it should NEVER last a full synth, and it should NEVER happen more than twice in a single attempt.

For the love of god, just because I'm complaining about it DO NOT ax it from the game.. It's a good feature and I'm tired of watching good things get ripped out of the game because a vocal minority don't like them..

I agree with you that this can be REALLY irritating. But this usually happens on one or more of these conditions:

1. Synth is way above you (6 ranks or more)
2. You don't have the needed synthesis support
3. Half moon - this moon phase seems to complicate synthesis in general

Ofc destabilization can happen anytime during the synth process, there are some ways that help you to deal with them:

1. Brand of XYZ, usually removes destabilization after 1-3 waits
2. Assemble (Woodworking), Piece by Piece (Armorer) seems to have same luck/fail rate despite destabilizing
3. Hand of the Gods prevents a great loss of durability on explosion

Hope this can make your crafting experience more enjoyable! ^^

Other than Ice/Lightning which reduce progress, the others are pretty much ignorable.
Anyway "Wait" is your best friend.

Try this:
Wait x 2 -> Synth
(Repeat)
This keeps the penalty from waiting low.

I heard people say elemental affinity (element strong against) helps with restabilization but no hard data there.

Imo the only ones "ignorable" (sometimes they can be bad enough..) are Fire/Water.

Here's a quick description on what they do:
Fire/Water unstable: quality will be increased at lower rate
Wind/Earth: higher durability loss
Lightning/Ice: slower progress gain

All will do the following on explosion:
Quality halved
Durability loss of around 15-25

What I have heard/experienced is that Control is your best insurance against instability - eat Control food (fishy dishes like tuna kabob) to top it off.

Agreed.

It is infuriating to start a brand new synth with a failed standard followed by a destabalisation. It's even more infuriating if it's lightning because then the synth takes nearly twice as long to complete. Crafting is already an enormous grind at higher levels without doubling the time it takes me to complete a synth.

Another thing that seems to cause instability over and over again is using the non-native tool for the synth. Each synth seems to have a favored tool. For mass production synths, determining which tool is native is pretty easy. It is always the one in which you can get High Yields as opposed to High Quality. For finished items and others, it is a bit more difficult to pin down and usually takes experimentation to figure out which tool works best. Sometimes common sense applies, but not always.

The moon phase nonsense needs to be axed yesterday.

I agree to some extent, and will definitely try the suggestions posted above. (Thanks!) But my biggest problem involves the crafting attempts that seemed doomed to failure from the start. Maybe crafting is too easy, and we need a few failures from time to time to keep it from becoming a 100% success rate as long as you know what you're doing. But I'm tired of going along with easy recipes, using my abilities, and handling the stability of the materials, only to run into an attempt that fails no matter what... regardless of moon phase, level of the synth, stability of the mats, etc. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. You might chalk it up to bad luck, but these episodes seem to be evenly spaced... maybe about every 10 to 20 crafting attempts, depending on the level disparity.

For me, that's the most frustrating thing. The second most frustrating is what the OP mentioned, which can probably be managed to some degree with the various suggestions given.

Everytime I started to run into insanely amounts of destabilisation I put some points into the element stats of my char. Always seemed to help. (Aside from what's allready beeen told by others)

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but these episodes seem to be evenly spaced... maybe about every 10 to 20 crafting attempts,

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Its simple probability...

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Originally Posted by AlphaLion

Ofc destabilization can happen anytime during the synth process, there are some ways that help you to deal with them:
1. Brand of XYZ, usually removes destabilization after 1-3 waits

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Hi. I just want to make sure I understand these correctly.

For Brand of ___ to work:
- you need to have the right one set in your ability list at the time
- if that element goes unstable, you need to hope that the correct brand comes up as a selectable action
- using that ability will cause the element to stabilize

Is this correct?

I agree that destablization needs to be addressed. I think after 2-3 successful standards, it should stabilize automatically.

I also think that the reliance on the RNG (or what I like to call the random fail generator) needs to be addressed.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Hi. I just want to make sure I understand these correctly.

For Brand of ___ to work:
- you need to have the right one set in your ability list at the time
- if that element goes unstable, you need to hope that the correct brand comes up as a selectable action
- using that ability will cause the element to stabilize

Is this correct?

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Yes. But I believe it is best used as a "preventive" measure instead.

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Originally Posted by tymora

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Hi. I just want to make sure I understand these correctly.

For Brand of ___ to work:
- you need to have the right one set in your ability list at the time
- if that element goes unstable, you need to hope that the correct brand comes up as a selectable action
- using that ability will cause the element to stabilize

Is this correct?

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Yes. But I believe it is best used as a "preventive" measure instead.

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Thank you.
I guess I still don't understand the use for these, though.

Trying Brand of Lightning as a preventive measure doesn't seem to work for me -- the lightning element can still go unstable as usual, even when Brand of Lightning is in effect.

Trying it as a fixative measure doesn't seem to work either -- applying that ability on an unstable lightning element doesn't stabilize it.

So confused. ><

I'm usually happy if the destabilization doesn't end because it almost always ends with a huge explosion. Very rarely has the element stabilized calmly. It's something they may want to look into, though.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Hi. I just want to make sure I understand these correctly.

For Brand of ___ to work:
- you need to have the right one set in your ability list at the time
- if that element goes unstable, you need to hope that the correct brand comes up as a selectable action
- using that ability will cause the element to stabilize

Is this correct?

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Everything except the last point. Using the brand doesn't stabilize the element automatically, it only increases the chances of stabilization by temporarily increasing your affinity with that element.

If you go lightning unstable and Brand of Lightning pops up use it and your next 3 actions will have a higher than average chance of stablizing the element with waiting being the most effective, but it's not guaranteed.

it seems to happen every 10 synths to me. but i guess it has to be there. you cant always do everything 100%

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

The moon phase nonsense needs to be axed yesterday.

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I don't know about moon phase, but there is an hour phase:

Ice 0:00-0:59
Water 1:00-1:59
Wind 2:00-2:59
Lightning 3:00-3:59
Fire 4:00-4:59
Earth 5:00-5:59
Ice 6:00-6:59
Water 7:00-7:59
Wind 8:00-8:59
Lightning 9:00-9:59
Fire 10:00-10:59
Earth 11:00-11:59
Ice 12:00-12:59
Water 13:00-13:59
Wind 14:00-14:59
Lighting 15:00-15:59
Fire 16:00-16:59
Earth 17:00-17:59
Ice 18:00-18:59
Water 19:00-19:59
Wind 20:00-20:59
Lightning 21:00-21:59
Fire 22:00-22:59
Earth 23:00-23:59

When you craft and your synth destabilizes, the element you will get will be most of time the element of the corresponding hour or the element of one of the shardtypes used in the synth.

So if you have a synth you don't want to fail. You can actually predict/avoid/force your elements and set the appropriate "brand of xxx".

Be nice if people would test their theories before posting.
The hour phase hypothesis is even less likely to be implemented in the game than the moon phase.

Besides while breaking carp into Fire crystals, I just got Ice at 4:12, stabilized next round and Lightning at 4:20. 2 synths later, Ice again at 5:24. And Lightning at 6:15.
So "hour" doesn't make a difference.

Why Lightning? Because it is the elemental of the crystal used for the recipe. I get this element most often.
Why Ice? No clue. Maybe because it's the element totally unrelated to lightning. I get this element a bit less often than lightning.
I do get the other elements once in a while.

My elemental affinity is 80 for all except for Lightning/Wind at 92.

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Originally Posted by AlphaLion

I agree with you that this can be REALLY irritating. But this usually happens on one or more of these conditions:

1. Synth is way above you (6 ranks or more)
2. You don't have the needed synthesis support
3. Half moon - this moon phase seems to complicate synthesis in general

Ofc destabilization can happen anytime during the synth process, there are some ways that help you to deal with them:

1. Brand of XYZ, usually removes destabilization after 1-3 waits
2. Assemble (Woodworking), Piece by Piece (Armorer) seems to have same luck/fail rate despite destabilizing
3. Hand of the Gods prevents a great loss of durability on explosion

Hope this can make your crafting experience more enjoyable! ^^

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Also a few more aspects that can improve synthesis stability

1. Stacking more control gear + control food.
2. Make sure you have the correct training manuals. (if one is needed)
3. Many syntheses have sub-jobs that are not listed in the synthesis UI, YG is pretty good about listing these.
4. Abilities that i use for general purpose synthesis. Hands of the Gods, Perfection, Ingenuity, Harmonize.

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Originally Posted by tymora

Be nice if people would test their theories before posting.
The hour phase hypothesis is even less likely to be implemented in the game than the moon phase.

Besides while breaking carp into Fire crystals, I just got Ice at 4:12, stabilized next round and Lightning at 4:20. 2 synths later, Ice again at 5:24. And Lightning at 6:15.
So "hour" doesn't make a difference.

Why Lightning? Because it is the elemental of the crystal used for the recipe. I get this element most often.
Why Ice? No clue. Maybe because it's the element totally unrelated to lightning. I get this element a bit less often than lightning.
I do get the other elements once in a while.

My elemental affinity is 80 for all except for Lightning/Wind at 92.

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Yes I said most of the time because there is still weather.

And to dismiss it based on 4 synths, wth. Mine is based on synths getting blacksmith up to 50.

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Yes I said most of the time because there is still weather.

And to dismiss it based on 4 synths, wth. Mine is based on synths getting blacksmith up to 50.

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A theory only needs 1 counter-example to disprove. If the "hour" theory can't hold up in any random test (in this case 4), then it is wrong until it can be improved, assuming that it can.

Anyway, the weather went from sunny to cloudy in Uldah and I got only ice and lightning for the duration of the run - 56 synths in all.

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Mine is based on synths getting blacksmith up to 50.

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Did you religiously take down all the data? Or is it based on what you remember?
If the former, please make it available for other people to look at.
- Did you include the possible variables? Affinity, weather, moon phase, hour, shard used, craft?
If the latter, then it doesn't hold much water no matter how many crafts you have at 50.
- Because we remember what we want to remember.

Well maybe a recipe has two elements, even if one happens to be 0. I find it amazing that you never had any other elements. You didn't get any water or wind at all? For me the elements vary more based on hour changes.

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Originally Posted by AlphaLion

3. Half moon - this moon phase seems to complicate synthesis in general

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Stop spreading this kind of nonsense. Nothing with moon phase has ever been proven, nor has SE issued any such statement that they affect anything.