As title said. Bot Farmers everywhere!!
I dont believe how 1 retainer can have 20 99 stacks of a material so valuable and 5 99 HQ stacks for sale at Market board.
Fleece, Snufle Tufts, Hippo Skins and Sinew etc etc
Even if I were to report the player, SE does nothing.
3rd Party Program Bot farmers everywhere!!
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08-28-2014, 04:59 PMLunarCain3rd Party Program Bot farmers everywhere!!
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08-28-2014, 05:10 PMChiramu
You have to be careful with your reports. You can end up reporting innocent people unless you know exactly how to spot a botter.
Like you have to watch them for a while, if they are on a set path or not. How they target the mobs. How they kill the mobs. How long it takes for them to run between the mobs. If they do the same thing in the same place that you saw them a few moments ago then they are probably on a set path.
You cannot call everyone bots just because you see people farming though. -
08-28-2014, 05:14 PMLunarCain
they have the /busy thingy and have been there for like....1-3days at the same spot. Also they try to undercut the price on the Market board thus destroying the price range. Same retainer on the MB selling a lot of x99 stacks all underprice. Also a lot of HQ x99 stacks. I can guess its the same farmer. example fleece was 900 per now he undercut it to the price of fleece to be 150 per. Snufle Tufts also went from 1.5k to 500 per.
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08-28-2014, 05:15 PMYoninxi
I spotted a better yesterday farming wind shards. Was funny, I would go up and holy all he wind elemental so before they could auto target and aero spam the wind elementals
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08-28-2014, 05:21 PMSatia
Not everybody with /busy up is a bot. -_-
Some people have /busy up because of RMT's -
08-28-2014, 05:23 PMAbrar
fleece is very easy to get, to be honest.. u can get 99 stack of fleece in a very short time.. before i have lvl50 crafters, by selling fleece is one of my main income bcoz it's easy to get and high demand..
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08-28-2014, 05:24 PMVolcanoMaybe they mistaking them for the AFK one, because i see quite a few bots running around with AFK icon, unless there is some way to have that up at all times while moving, that's pretty much a dead give away. never saw one with busy status,Quote:
Originally Posted by Satia
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08-28-2014, 06:02 PMToffeeCoffee
I've been tracking and reporting the same 4 bots on Tonberry every day for a month and nothing has been done. My friends have given up reporting them because nothing gets done. There's not a shadow of doubt that they are botting. There are a variety of things you can do to verify bots which I won't go into on the forums as the joke will end up being on me instead of them. They rotate daily between Wind Sprites in Lower La Noscea and Golden Fleece in Eastern Thanalan. I've even seen them trading materia and soulbind gear with their owner (5 accounts being driven by one person).
I ask passers-by every day to report them and get ignored. -
08-28-2014, 06:35 PMRavnoAre you sure that's not a legit multiboxer ? Did they /follow & /assist a leader or act independently ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee
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08-28-2014, 07:38 PMTheRogueXlol, oxymoron imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravno
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08-28-2014, 07:41 PMVolcanoYou know what, i want to honestly know, with all that is true to my soul at least 1 person that will multibox 5 characters with legit intent. i need you to do that for me. i want to make these legendary peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Ravno
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08-28-2014, 07:42 PMEverjams
I send my 4 retainers out every hour for fleece they bring back 15 some hq and some normal in 4 hours I have 4 stacks just from retainers. I farm fleece for 30 minutes and sometimes I have 10 stacks if I am lucky due to the 3-9 drops at a time. not so hard even with out being a both. not all of us farming are bots
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08-28-2014, 07:47 PMTheRogueXI want to know who CAN multibox 5 characters without using some sort of automation software to help them do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Volcano
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08-28-2014, 08:05 PMCaligamyMy former linkshell leader from FFXI.. he did switch to XIV when it came out but yeah... he was "legit" and ran one of the most memorable linkshells I have ever been in for 7 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Volcano
http://img.tapatalk.com/47e7cb57-d355-8ad6.jpg
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08-28-2014, 08:17 PMVolcanoUnfortunatly FFXI does not count, FFXI is a much slower paced game and people tend to put WHM characters on healing programs (as i even know people who would multibox 3+ characters) it was easier to do it on FFXI, I need to know someone that actually plays THIS one and can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligamy
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08-28-2014, 08:18 PMRavnoYou can do it hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRogueX
With a keyboard bind to multiples computers with kvm or same wireless frenquency, no need to 3thd party.
Or a dual box with a controller and the checkbox option to allow it to work on background.
Or this kind of crazy setup but i don't think it will be really efficient pve wise : http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/w...ha490gktl1.jpg
Software boxing is kinda grey area, depend of SE thought. As long as it's just a keyboard driver, most company are ok with a one keypress = one action (even it's it per windows or computer) and do not consider it automation.
Until not long ago, that was the case for all mmo, but few changed their policies with the rise of f2p games.
Anyway, since SE did not make a clear stance about it, that's a hell of a gamble.
But honestly, i don't think they give a f.
I multibox hardware since beta, probably got arround 5K reports (extrapoled from rage wisp), got few forum rage post & youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiXLoiQZESc lol ) and i never got a gm who ask me anything. -
08-28-2014, 08:42 PMLunarCain
You do know the reason 3rd party Botting Program is used for right ppl >_>
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08-28-2014, 08:57 PMToffeeCoffeeI pretty much deleted everything I was going to say. Put it this way, if you open trade with a bot and it tab targets every single mob nearby in an endless cycle without any further reaction then you pretty much know what you're dealing with. Whether it's a 3rd party tool or not, it's full automation without someone physically controlling their keyboard. That is cheating. Please don't dilute the seriousness of the matter at hand by posing the possibility that I'm mistaken. I'm not naive, nor am I hasty to judge. I know a bot when I see one. I've been tracking these 4 for well over a month and all SE has to do is catch and ban them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravno
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08-28-2014, 09:05 PMRavno
If you open a trade or wisp and he don't reply, yeah sure, you're right. No debate.
But endless tab target mobs is not enought. I did that few time, bind a key to macro with /tenemy /ac "spell" <t>, and keep spaming it while watching a movie windowed. (Still keeping eyes on games since rules specify you should be able to answer immediatly to any GM wisps) -
08-28-2014, 09:12 PMMeiUshu
why should said person reply to any whips or request of trade ??????
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08-28-2014, 09:21 PMToffeeCoffeeIf someone opened trade after you pulled a mob, would you break the trade or just stand there targeting other mobs in a cycle and die?Quote:
Originally Posted by MeiUshu
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08-28-2014, 09:24 PMRavnoWhy not ? Yeah, rule state you should only reply to a GM.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeiUshu
But if you are behind the screen doing manual control, i don't see why ignore the wisp and let other player think you are a bot. It's just being polite.
As for trade windows, i usually leave 1 gold piece and ask politly to find a job :) -
08-28-2014, 09:27 PMSymbiantThis is exactly what we talked about yesterday. People use the /busy for avoiding rmt tells. I do it my self, /busy does not mean it's an rmt. Just because they are there for days does not mean it's an rmt. Maybe the same time you play they play and they just happen to be on every time you go into that area. This asinine witch hunt has gotten a little out of hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarCain
Like one of the above posters listed bots are pretty easy to hunt down if they are bots. /busy does not mean its a bot. Being in one area for a long time does not mean bot. Most bots follow specific paths and do specific things too tip you off. Quite frankly I don't give a crud about them as long as they are not trying to send me tells to buy there bs.
You don't get rid of the sellers by banning bots you get rid of them buy banning the people that buy the gil. No customers no merchants. -
08-28-2014, 09:29 PMSymbiantNothing in the ToS states you can not multibox.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRogueX
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08-28-2014, 09:33 PMRavnoHe probably mean afk, not busy. Like this :Quote:
Originally Posted by Symbiant
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/8b8e815...6305a89820.jpg
I could be wrong, but i don't think you can normaly keep the afk tag while moving arround. -
08-28-2014, 09:33 PMSymbiantThis is 100% correct. This is one of the many ways to detect a bot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee
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08-28-2014, 09:37 PMSymbiantThey don't need to accept the trade but, a bot will just sit in one spot and since they are targeted you can see what they target. So if you have them in a trade and the targets keep rapidly switching that is a bot. As long as that trade window is up that bot will not go any place. As soon as you close the trade window that bot will continue is selected tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeiUshu
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08-28-2014, 09:42 PMSadana
Farming wind sprites behind the windmills? Yep, got one on my server too. There for days. The busy symbol stops /tells and /trades and means the bot program can't be interfered with. :/
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08-28-2014, 09:47 PMLunarCain
thats why /afk is useless so better use /busy so u cant stop the bot from moving about
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08-28-2014, 09:50 PMSymbiantYea you can't keep afk up while moving around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravno
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08-28-2014, 09:55 PMSymbiantI agree that it would stop you from trading a bot but, /busy does not always indicate a bot. I run w/ /busy all the time even in dungeons. I was getting spammed 20-30 times a day. I was filling up my black list every 1-2 weeks it was getting insane. So since they would never get rid of the spammers I put /busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarCain
Saying /busy is a bot is like saying a specific race of people are always criminals. I just do not pay attention to them any more it's not worth my time. -
08-28-2014, 10:04 PMSadana
No one is saying /busy is the only marker of a bot. People are pointing out that bots are mining/standing in the same place for days/weeks/months farming over and over. Used to be you could interrupt the program by trading; now they leave the status set to /busy so you can't interfere and stop the program. That's all. ^^
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08-28-2014, 10:05 PMLunarCain
Ah a much clearer message o.o
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08-28-2014, 10:18 PMGerolan
I got reported for being a bot because I had quite a few full stacks of fleece on MB.
Someone asked in shout if they knew who the retainer belonged too and I said me.
They then said they were reporting me for botting. What they failed to realise is that I was doing weaver level achievement and the leve quest reward was fleece on most of them.
Never heard anything more about it but people do need to be careful , not all people who gather or list stuff are bots -
08-28-2014, 10:59 PMBaneusPlus pretty much every fleece dropping mob now has a chance to drop between 0 and 10 fleece at once. It normally takes about 10 - 15 minutes to get a stack of 99.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerolan
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08-28-2014, 10:59 PMariaandkiaIf I have the PCs to do it, I can and have played as many as 7 games at one time. Hint: Feet, hands, voice, elbows. Windows has a function that allows you to control it using voice. And if you change your voice based on the PC, you can increase the number of PCs you can control at a time. So 2 hands, 2 feet = 2-4. 2 elbows = 1. 3 different voices = 3 so that is 7 on average. Though I also like to watch anime at the same time, lol. By positioning the speakers for each anime box slightly offset so that the sound arrives at a different timing and volume, you can organize which sound is coming from which box even if they have the same voice actor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Volcano
I'm the type that gets worse the fewer things I'm doing at a time though, with the exception of if I'm using a certain technique which forces me to focus on one thing.
Although whether or not I'm a bot depends partially on your definition of a bot. However, by MOST game company standards, I am not a bot since I'm not running a third party program or device. I simply trained myself to work and think differently than most people. However, as a result of my training, there are certain things I'm weaker at than your 'average' person.
And I'm not sure about legit, but I give away most of what I make to newbies because I want to help them progress faster.
Note: I do not multibox FF14. I can barely afford 13 USD a month, much less 91 USD.
As for what I have played at the same time... FF14 (Titan EX ps4), RaiderZ (solo pc), Agarest (Single Player), Terraria (Single Player), PKMN (NA DS), PKMN (JP DS), Fate (PSP), Urusei Yatsura (anime-pc). Of which FF14, RaiderZ and Terraria are reasonably fast paced. RaiderZ being a bit more fast paced than FF14. Though arguably, fighting bosses in Terraria is pretty fast paced as well, lol. However, FF14 and RaiderZ and Terraria are also really really slow paced in another sense. You don't have to think much once you have the patterns down. It is essentially just repeating the same patterns over and over again.
I have, as a result, healed things like Garuda EX in my sleep. Literally in my sleep. One of my friends knows me for healing in my sleep because I learn the patterns for healing and then go to sleep with the patterns recognized. Considering that I can barely see anyways, some people actually say I heal BETTER when asleep since I stop trying to see which saves me space in my processing area (In real life, I move around the city almost purely by sound. I use my eyes mainly to read things and to see lights with no blind assistance-though I sometimes use the position and directional speeds and deceleration/acceleration to tell instead). In other words, unused portion of my brain can then be used for other things. Main thing is that I stop chatting when I sleep though I might talk still (a very select few have heard me sleep talking-probably me using my voice to control the computer). Chatting requires sight in order to read the text.
In theory, I can control as many as 6 without using my voice, but that would be pure PC and would require me to have a space set up specifically for gaming. Actually, depends on the game. Like I've played DDR while doing my homework while watching anime while playing several other games-none of the games being on the pc since at the time, I was using my PCs for watching 4+ animes at a time.
Almost any gamer can do it if they train themselves to from a young age. Just need motivation. My motivation? 1) Time. 2) Easily distracted if I'm only doing two things at a time. 3) Megatokyo-one of the characters used every piece of their body they could, even their mouth? to play a game. I thought, hey, I can do that too. 4) Because it is funny when I see characters in anime, manga, light novels, and visual novels that either match me almost perfectly (like the sister of No Game, No Life) or who can do almost the same thing I can but using a different method (like The World God Only Knows). 5) News stories of how artists learned to paint with their feet or mouth or w/e when they couldn't use their hands - proving it was possible (not that it simply being impossible would've stopped me considering some of the things I've done). 6) I should add this: I am a soloist. I don't trust normal humans. If I can play my entire dungeon party/raid by myself, why not? Then all I have to worry about is myself. Nobody else to blame, nobody else to blame me, it is all on myself.
I mean, heck, time is part of why I learned how to speed read (Though that is also why I ran out of books at my school library and started to play games so much, lol). I wanted to do more things in the little time I had. But now that I'm still alive, why not keep using what I already learned to do?
Fun fact: I don't eat with my feet not because I can't but because I'd probably not want to eat the food if I thought about the implications of doing so.
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Anyways, back towards the original post. Just because they are doing mindless tasks all day doesn't mean that they are bots. You have people like me who have the ability to 'sleepwalk,' people like me with the ability to multitask, groups of people working together, and more.
(Note: For FF14 only (because it is sub and not F2P), I only sleep play when I fall asleep while doing something, I don't do something and then fall asleep while doing something (might not sound different, but one is on purpose and the other is unintended out of exhaustion from staying up for so much time without sleep).)
If sleep playing seems odd. Think of it this way. People sleep walk. And ever started walking somewhere, fell asleep, and then ended up at your destination before you woke up? I have and I'm sure you've experienced something similar even if in a lesser degree. It is where I get most of my sleeping time from. Since it is a 2 hour walk to work and then 2 hours back, why not catch up on sleep? And I did check the news for a while to make sure I wasn't breaking any laws or causing any accidents, lol. I pretty much stay up until I collapse or until I have to walk a good distance, then I just sleep for a bit.
I can't use a bot even if I wanted to for FF14 since I have a PS4 (No bots for PS4 yet, though there might be some for PS3).
Even busy and not responding isn't a clear sign. I mean, some random person runs up to you and goes: "TRADE WITH ME!" while you are grinding/farming. Would you stop? Some random person runs up to you and demands that you talk to them. Would you stop? Busy prevents RMTs from bothering them easily. If they sleep play like I do or multitask, they might not even realize someone is trying to contact them.
Also retainers do help with getting those stacks and considering you can get 4? retainers?
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Personally? People need to stop buying from the RMTs. I mean, if they are still advertising despite everything,then doesn't that mean that someone is buying from them?
And I seriously have to wonder about people who would report someone for being a bot when the person actually responded. I mean, honestly.
As for me, I tend to have a lot of mats and stuff in the market board because... well... Look at my stats, lol. I'm working on my crafting classes now and so excess that I have no need for keeping gets thrown to the market board.
I probably SHOULD sleep soon. I am starting to badly misspell stuff now, lol. -
08-28-2014, 11:06 PMKingOfAbyssDoes it really have to come down to be the responsibility of the players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiramu
With limited playtime, and lots to do, I used to report some teleport botters, only to still see them again.
So nope, I want to help, but if they don't do their part (SE) - End of Story. -
08-29-2014, 01:44 AMFriendlyUncle
SE doesn't ban accounts immediately, look back at FFXI task force. They try to find all accounts those bots are associated to and form a little web and mass ban as many of those accounts as possible together and at the same time. This eliminates their dirty currency and lowers the risk of them losing only 1 or 2 bots and being able to safe guard the Gil that they still have on any remaining accounts. Mass bans eliminate much more currency and make it a much larger investment to get back into the game.
It is much easier to dump 30 bucks into a copy of the game once a month because of a ban than to try and get back into it after you had 8 accounts banned in a single day this month.