Decrease the Gear options.

I guess the title of this thread is totally wrong.

It should have been "Increase the loot options".

I'd just rather seem more separation between loot sets. When raiding, as a MRD we shouldnt be competing against an ARC or PUG for the same gear in the main body slots ie: Body, Legs, Feet, Hands, Helm...... imo.

Please add more gear sets and separate the main gear slots by logical classes a little better in the future.

Id love a better split on gear so people look different, even if its just a dye options (pokes at devs hard) to let us make the gear our own.
But we have very few gear options anyway, so hell no to even less.. :P

I think Archer's more get take as they can be an easy class to play an are less likely to die in some respects.
More of the melee players seem unable to adapt to moving and avoiding aoe, using a ranged weapon to build tp, running out from a mob to heal them self and not just standing in one spot pounding on the mob from what I've seen.
(that might sound harsh but this is the 1st time people have really had to start to think since launch and its still not a massive challenge atm.)
Those who can are putting out very nice DPS, but i would agree archer is a very strong dps class atm not sure i agree they are OP'd just strong.

I don't agree archers aren't Op, Also most gear from other jobs isn't all that good when you add in the fact that the stats are decreased for anyone outside the optimal jobs. Imo i haven't seen anything that was actually worth it after the stat decrease.

Seriously, you guys think that the Archer (and Pug) should be wearing Plate and Mail armour?

Its seems completely illogical that they should be using as high defence gear as classes that are supposed to be front lines.

The root of the problem is that S.E. has got lazy and not created multiple sets of raid gear in some slots, instead just putting one set for melee/range.

I find it frustrating and illogical.

I'm just saying it doesnt matter because if they wear the gear and arc is not the optimal class then most of the time the gear is actually worse than normal arc gear. All the stats go down a good bit if you use the wrong gear.
So really they aren't getting higher defense than normal.

To the point of the topic, SE has already started implementing class/level-specific gear. The lower-tier world-roaming NMs have a class restriction, the gear dropping from the dungeons has a "required" rank + some class restrictions. So, you are getting what you're asking for.

To the point of ARC being able to wear the same stuff, one of the better pieces for LNC/MRD/GLA(DD) is Solid Scale Mail from Ogre. And ARC can't use it... /shrug.

Sure, ARC may be able to equip a lot of the first-released equipment..... but if you're subbing out things that have bonuses to STR/DEX/Att/Acc for better Prot gear... well... you're doing it wrong. And like has been mentioned, if the gear you area wearing does not list your class as a favoured class, you receive diminshed returns for the stats on said piece of equipment.

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Originally Posted by Belial

To the point of ARC being able to wear the same stuff, one of the better pieces for LNC/MRD/GLA(DD) is Solid Scale Mail from Ogre. And ARC can't use it... /shrug.

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I guess thats one item that works. But how can anyone explain the Bladedancer's Jackboot's. Don't they refer to players with bladed weapons? Im not certain but I think the Archer's are able use those too.

Maybe the system isnt completely broken, and like you say maybe they are working on it, but I think Im seeing some things that could be fixed or balanced. I could be wrong too I guess.

Off top of my head Bucc boots and Bladedancers boots are the only greaves Archer has access too. All that heavy plated stuff that has better defensive stats is still not available to archer I believe.

I guess the title of this thread is totally wrong.

It should have been "Increase the loot options".

I'd just rather seem more separation between loot sets. When raiding, as a MRD we shouldnt be competing against an ARC or PUG for the same gear in the main body slots ie: Body, Legs, Feet, Hands, Helm...... imo.

Please add more gear sets and separate the main gear slots by logical classes a little better in the future.

on that point, increasing the options, I agree. Would be nice to see gear that is more specialized for each class. Be it AF type gear or what.

And on your point of having a hard time getting gear cause you have to compete with ARC for that gear, well it could go both ways too I think. I have LNC, PGL, and ARC to 50. I get asked to come ARC for anything and everything even though I like my other other jobs too. I am having a hard time getting some other drops that my 2 other classes can wear that ARC can't, because most people see me as just an ARC.

IMO, I think the gear that is for all DoW should maybe have a more balanced stats in general. But the heavy plated stuff for MRD/LNC/GLA maybe focus more on stuff like STR/VIT/HP and have higher def. And, the lighter armor that PUG and ARC would wear be more focused on stuff like DEX/ACC/EVA and have lower def then all the others.

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Originally Posted by Scape

And on your point of having a hard time getting gear cause you have to compete with ARC for that gear, well it could go both ways too I think. I have LNC, PGL, and ARC to 50. I get asked to come ARC for anything and everything even though I like my other other jobs too. I am having a hard time getting some other drops that my 2 other classes can wear that ARC can't, because most people see me as just an ARC.

IMO, I think the gear that is for all DoW should maybe have a more balanced stats in general. But the heavy plated stuff for MRD/LNC/GLA maybe focus more on stuff like STR/VIT/HP and have higher def. And, the lighter armor that PUG and ARC would wear be more focused on stuff like DEX/ACC/EVA and have lower def then all the others.

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You bring up many good points and issues there that I agree with and see the troubles with also.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

I guess thats one item that works. But how can anyone explain the Bladedancer's Jackboot's. Don't they refer to players with bladed weapons? Im not certain but I think the Archer's are able use those too.

Maybe the system isnt completely broken, and like you say maybe they are working on it, but I think Im seeing some things that could be fixed or balanced. I could be wrong too I guess.

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No, I totally understand what you're saying and I agree, I'd like to see some differences as well. However, it's one of those things where it'll be done eventually. As it stands, even with new content in place, the majority of equipable items were set in place prior to Yoshi taking over, with a different game plan in mind, so yea, until new equipment is added (and I imagine a level cap increase) I think we're kinda hooped at the moment.

And, if it follows the flow of XI, we wont be seeing the more unique gear for classes until we are R50+

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Originally Posted by Belial

As it stands, even with new content in place, the majority of equipable items were set in place prior to Yoshi taking over, with a different game plan in mind, so yea, until new equipment is added (and I imagine a level cap increase) I think we're kinda hooped at the moment.

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Thats something I never really considered. Another great point which I hope is involved, and can be worked on or fix for the future.

Yea, I have faith that they will eventually fix most concerns and make this a very fun game. I just don't think it'll be finished soon. lol
FF14 has given gamers one of the hardest NMs of all to fight.... patience.

The majority of what I see posted in this thread, not all of it, but the majority is, that in this game that was known to be open between classes, allow you to carry over spells, and abilities between classes, just over all be open and flowing, absolutely not pigeon holing playstyles and classes, and eveyone is complaining that they want differences. What happens the second you get what you ask for, you will make threads whinning about it too.

well ummm... the classes need to different and unique or what is the point of playing one over the other?

to get the full effect of there favored spells for one.
Well the classes are different, nd you have different benefits from moving different spells toand from different classes. If i need to explain to you how an archer is unique from a marauder, then this is too far gone. That doesn't change the fact that this was to be a "sandbox" game, and that notion is being stricken against harshly here.

Well, the game failed pretty horribly with how it was "suppose" to be.

On some items, you should ,on other items, you shouldn't.

For a multiclass game decreasing our gear options would prove to be quite messy and unnecessary. There is a huge demand for all-around gear that fits many classes. I simply don't want to be carrying around 18 different earrings or pants for my multiple classes because the level/class requirements are so strict.

Then again, I also want to obtain equipment that characterizes my class/job from the rest of my classes and others. Iconic equipment. There is definitely a demand for such items as well.

I want more of both.

It seems to me that they are trying to keep class gear more generalized.
This helps with inventory space and means, that gear drop isn't worthless to you because you're a different class.
From what's been said I get the impression that the specific gear is going to be more in the form of job specific gear, and not so much class specific.
Gear from 40-50 is already lacking in some slots as it is, so I'm all for a general increase in gear and let the player decide what is best for them.

Lately SE has been way to focused on 25-35 for my taste, there wasn't any serious lack of upgrades like the 40-50 range.
For example, no 40+ for kecks, shoes, fingerless gloves and many others.
Crafters have the same issue with 40+ gear, selections are just too limited or non existent.