I'm asking a dev to reply in this thread. Please explain to me since I'm having a hard time understanding why it is that "You People" feel like there was a need to change the conversion rate for Materia IV's from ilv90 gear.
- The conversion rate for ilv55 Gear to Materia IV's is low (which seems right since its ilv55)
- The materials needed to make ilv70 spirit bonding sets cost about 130,000 company seals I think (The jump in materials is a bit of a kick in the nutsack imo, and not worth the time)
That leaves us with crafted ilv90 sets to spirit bond with, since you a$@hats wont let us convert dungeon gear.
THE PAYOFF TO MAKING iLV90 GEAR AND GETTING A GROUP TO BOND IT IN COIL "WAS" THAT IT ALWAYS GAVE MATERIA IV'S.
If we didn't get something we needed, no problem, we could transmute them and have a second chance. Well now we only have a 1/18 chance it will be a IV and a whopping 1/36 chance it will be one of the IV's we need.
I have now bonded 2 full (11 piece) sets. First set 7 were III's, 4 were IV's and only 1 was a materia I could use. The second set yielded 8 III's, 3 IV's and none were useful. I just cant understand why this needed to be touched. I need a reason from someone at square, not another player. As someone trying to grind out materia for my weapon I'm pretty upset.
08/20/2014 - Uploaded a Video of a before and after. The batch I did just now had a decent turn out but its still shit compared to what it was before for IV's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M47CxJ5Aqsc
Dev Response Please - ilv90 Conversion Change
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08-20-2014, 12:55 PMHashiramaDev Response Please - ilv90 Conversion Change
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08-20-2014, 09:49 PMRiceisNice
If this is real (I have not converted any Ilvl 90 items for myself yet), then I have to agree that it's pretty bull and inconsistent. Ilvl 1-29 gives I material, 30-45 II, 45-70 for III. All have a small chance of being converted into a grade higher than it's bracket, so where does IV fall now? It seem incredibly weird that there's such a huge jump in bracket difference from III to IV if 70+ doesn't have a garunteed chance for materia, esp considering the SBing rate and how it's incredibly limited to that we have to burden groups in DF to do so.
I also never understood the reasoning of why most dungeon greens are unconvertable (which is also inconsistent since aetherial weapons which are in the same category as dungeon drops, as well as the coilisuem and Buccaneer's seires from DD) -
08-20-2014, 10:06 PMStouterTaruSo you've got roughly 30% TIVs on ilvl90 gear? It now bonds in expert dungeons at about 8 times the rate it bonded before. If you get a good group, you can bond a set in 90 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hashirama
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08-20-2014, 10:18 PMTomTom1968
I know why I just bought the Materia IV I needed for my Novus. I got almost all Materia I-III on my own through crafting and spiritbonding and I was happy to be able to do it on my own without just buying them. At some stage, I started to make Level 70 gear for the Materia IV. From 20 items, I got NONE of the Materia I needed but 11 Resistance and a few main stat ones, so I gave up. They cost quite a bit time and GIL to produce, it takes time for binding and then...dissapointment most of the time. Knowing that now even with iLevel 90 gear there is no guarantuee for a Materia IV is quite disheartening. I doubt I will ever try to beat the RNG Gods SE has created.
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08-20-2014, 11:56 PMServerCollaps
or just buy a ilvl 50 set (10 or 11 items) and bind it within 30 minutes or less at water elementals
in average you'll always get 1 or 2 tier IV materia out of one set. Even if you dont got the tIV you are looking for, selling the
t3 materias provides enough money to buy the one or other needed materia -
08-21-2014, 12:09 AMHashiramaI make all my gear and lately we havent seen many IV's out of any ilv55 when we bonded at Urths Gift, which is what prompted me and others to seek out other means of getting IV's. The Crit/Det IV's go for 500k-1mill on our server. The others bearly go for a fraction of that. And personally I dont really want to spend money on anything until I see the horrible pricing they have for individual homes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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08-21-2014, 12:11 AMAlistaireIt's not 8x as fast as before, and the speed was never a problem to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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08-21-2014, 12:20 AMStouterTaruIt is 8x as fast in expert dungeons, and it was definitely a problem before there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-21-2014, 12:31 AMHashirama
I never really had a problem with how fast it took to bond the gear. I would just run with people from my coil group and do BCOB T4 a handful of times and it was done. With HQ gear, Melds and Company Spirit bond buff II it goes by pretty fast.
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08-21-2014, 01:09 AMAlistaireJust did an expert and used a couple penta melded i90s I had that weren't done. Got 36 and 35% on them. Somewhere in the range of double to triple previous rate. Definitely wasn't a problem there before, and considering the loss of rewards it's definitely not an overall improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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08-21-2014, 01:17 AMShai
A great way to get developers attention and respect is to insult them and call them names. They definitely listen and respond - often even change the game! - when you phrase your suggestions in the form of an insult. Another good tactic is to threaten to quit the game, you could edit that in.
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08-21-2014, 01:20 AMStouterTaruSo you were getting 12-18% on expert dungeons before with 5 melds? Doesn't make since when I was getting 4% on 2 melds pre-patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-21-2014, 01:22 AMAlistaireI was getting 12% on triple melded stuff pretty easily so yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
Edit: And syrcus tower my i95 tremor axe penta melded was about 25% on a run before this change. There was absolutely no problem in binding rate. -
08-21-2014, 02:45 AMStouterTaruWith potion and FC buff, or bare?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-21-2014, 04:14 AMAlistaireNeither. Just "bare".Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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08-21-2014, 05:00 AMgivemeraptors
Not all of us can triple meld i70 or i90 gear to get the SB buff. Some people are just normal adventurers trying to obtain IV via the simplest method. Leveling a crafter to 50 or paying out the nose for both gear AND melds (which ultimately may not even get you the materia you need...)
This is beyond ridiculous. The estimate for personal housing is 850K. The average cost of DET IV on my server is 550K.
I feel like an idiot for selling all my level IVs materia back when they were going for 80-90K. I thought that was super pricey then. Boy, do I regret it. -
08-21-2014, 05:23 AMStouterTaruThen for some inexplicable reason you were getting SB at 2-3 times the rate of everyone else before the patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-21-2014, 05:27 AMAlistaireNo, you're just insisting on exaggerating to whiteknight this change. I paid very close attention to % I was getting because I was curious where the best places would be. Done here.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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08-21-2014, 08:23 AMStouterTaruI paid very close attention as well, expert roulette 4-5% per dungeon pre-patch, HQ gear with 2 melds. Multiple sets, all the same. Syrcus Tower was 12% on average. I made some sets for a FC member, who used them to do expert runs for myth for novus, he was at 13% after 3 runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-21-2014, 09:29 AMelizar2006Yea I have to agree, a really great way for them to take you seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai