The Hunt - a game breaking feature

There is no forum for "the Hunt", so I'll post it here.

The Hunt is not killing the game.
The game is already dead.

Found this really good description:
http://gamerescape.com/2014/07/16/ff...with-the-hunt/

It's much worse than the guy describes though. He's a veteran player that focuses on those Coil-rewards. But all the rewards are completely off the hook. I was able to get from iLv 75 to 95 in 3-4 hours. I'd have needed weeks for that using the old style.

I can get 100 retainer ventures in 1-2 hours, maximize my weekly soldiery tomes and even equip my secondary job classes with iLv 90 gear extremely quickly without running a single dungeon.

And that directly leads to...

The worst problem is mentioned in that article: People are not playing the game anymore. Just zerging and harrassing. The Zerg takes sizes that are so huge, that you cannot even see the hunting targets anymore as the game client won't display that many moving objects at once.
Roulette queue times take like... 30 times longer to pop up now as seemingly no one does dungeons anymore.

The marks need a weekly limit. In the current state I'd even be okay with them rolling back everything 3 weeks lol (which won't happen ofc - just giving an example on how bad it actually is).

People who are against this, ask yourselves:
Do you really want to play a game in such an easy way as to be able to obtain literally everything you need to get to the endgame content without using any skill? You don't need any kind of playing skill to zerg down a mob.

Most of my guild quit the game already. I'm shortly before it. I do not care if there are any kids who like it the easiest possible way. Square-Enix always propagated the game as hard and says they didn't want to change that.

Now it's come down to one big fail zerg that brings out the worst in the people (just watch the certainly coming troll answers below).


PS: The limit for words is annoying as hell and doesn't belong in a forum.

If you edit a post you no longer have the character limit.

The game doesn't look dead to me.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

The game doesn't look dead to me.

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Yes of course I over exaggerated a bit. The ZERG lives! Only the other means of playing the game are pretty much dead now.
Right before I wrote the above, I was in Coerthas. There was no hunt at the time - only some people searching around. But guess what: the usual Coerthas FATE leveling group consisted of three people - not 30. And this was at prime time!
This was also the case three days ago, but I thought the announced patch would finally fix this cheat-like system.

Fact is: hunt marks need to be limited the same way as soldiery and myth tomes are.
This stays fact even if you do not agree with The Hunt having the game breaking impact, that this without any doubt has.

The Hunt is the same as a /givemeall command: a quick way of getting all while really missing all the challenging fun. And thus its exactly the opposite one wants in an MMORPG.

I've already cancelled my sub.

I cannot stand to see the community acting this way day in and day out in each zone I am in. And it is always... ALWAYS... the same. Someone pulled something before others showed up and the next 30 minutes is nothing but name calling and whatnot. I think they over did it with the rewards here. I understand they want people to play their new feature but giving away rewards one could only obtain in the hardest teir of raiding FASTER than raiding is just insane. No wonder queue times are in the toliet. This on top of the "community"... just disgusting, in my opinion. This is not what I wanted the game to be, this is not what the game was in Alpha and beta tests. This wasn't the game at launch.

I'll keep my ears open for the changes made to this system, but I doubt now even 2.4 can pull me back into the game as it is. Shame, I was really enjoying it.

I cannot understand why the devs do not see how making hunts the single best and fastest way to advance ruins the rest of the game content.

well i had a run through on this with Amitaya Lumireis and some FC members last night ,i can honestly say this is one of the most broken systems ever and i truly cannot believe that yoshida will let all the hard work that he and his team have done til now just be ruined by such a stupid mistake

the zone where wen went was just swamped with players the enemy lasted about 20 seconds which i was told was quite a long time ,an utter waste of time and all the great features and systems this game has is all undone through 1 bad decision

IMHO, the game isn't dead yet, and the Hunt does actually have potential - as a proper Hunt.
However, these concerns need to be addressed, both in terms of game mechanics and community building.

I'm sure the Devs are taking into account all the feedback that's flowing in during these first few weeks (both Yoshi-P and Komoto seemed to be aware of it during the last Live Letter).

Aside from rebalancing seal/gear drops, the chances for zerg rushing might be lessened by adding situational factors. Someone mentioned initial invulnerability, others instancing, I would add licensing (a finite number of times per week) and prerequisites (completing intermediate objectives to unlock the actual mark).

Lastly, we need the elite Marks to be smarter. I'm thinking back to FFXII; there was always a situational factor or an attack pattern to surprise you. Top Marks required good planning and some luck; another thing FFXII did right was that you would always gather fragments of lore along the way.

Call me mean to say this, but it seems like, for TOO long now, SE has been quite intent on forcing the FATE style of gameplay on us, to the point that they've essentially just rebranded it, removed the FATE title/mechanic, and began dumping rewards on people. No.

The hunts are FATE grinding without level sync. They are Odin and Behemoth on a daily basis. A first-come, first serve easy access to unlocking the highest gear you can outside of raiding, skills not required. You don't have to be good. You just have to get there first and take a swing. Many times, I've heard of people only landing a single hit, and scoring the log needed for sands/oils. Hey, more power to them, but why is that okay? Why is it even possible?

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It's definitely gotten out of hand. People are standing at typical A and S spawn sites and if you call out a B mark, you get, "who cares". :D I took 3 B marks with a 2 person/2 chocobo party last night in a matter of 30 minutes, and I wasn't hunting! 2 of the marks were the same mark, it had just moved from one location to another on the same map. I was actually going mining when I stumbled on it. A cap on hunts might quell some of this. Everyone I meet has got iLVL 90 or above gear. I bought a full set of iLVL 90 gear for my Warrior and she's only LVL 46! I've max'd out the number of myth tomes I can carry, but who cares? I can't buy level 100 gear with them anyway, so they're just there to pay for my next animus book. It's all about buying sands and oils of time with Allied Seals. Maybe a weekly cap on those as well might help?

Well, the lesser kind can often be tackled in reasonable time with just two players and a chocobo: this happened to me as a black mage while on Beast Tribe Quest duty, I stumbled into a warrior and her bird squaring off against a B Mark. At that level, they tend to telegraph their moves pretty clearly, so it's a fairly safe learning experience and a way to test your skills and rotations; moreover, you might have just found somebody with good party potential.

Going solo was probably easier before the patch, but it should still be OK if you're good, only a matter of time.

But yes - the situation with the top ranks is far from pretty. As ThirdChild noted above, Odin-style rushing makes these targets much less hot, provided you can even glance at them before they go poof, alongside any curiosity of yours about the way a creature fights or the skill of your companions.

IMHO, I wouldn't say it's (early) FATE all over again or just "easy money" (seals - you get the idea); to me, it's about the way people keep gaming the system. We can fix the mechanics through trial and error, it's the attitude that is disheartening.

When patch 2.3 came, I had a feeling The Hunt was a content i would not enjoy. After trying it a couple of times and experienced how toxic the community suddenly became I knew that I don't like the hunt. now, after a couple of weeks and seeing the map chat being spam with curse and name calling while I gather my materials, I HATE The hunt. I HATE that the first thing I see in map chat when teleporting into a new map is "bloody moron" http://imgur.com/qV4NAOS

I play games to release stress not add more stress to myself. This content was not well thought of. I don't see how they can fix this.

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I've already cancelled my sub.

I cannot stand to see the community acting this way day in and day out in each zone I am in. And it is always... ALWAYS... the same. Someone pulled something before others showed up and the next 30 minutes is nothing but name calling and whatnot.

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That's such an extreme case of sensitive - I sincerely hope you never accidentally find yourself in the middle of a competition or confrontation.

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Originally Posted by Verun

People who are against this, ask yourselves:
Do you really want to play a game in such an easy way as to be able to obtain literally everything you need to get to the endgame content without using any skill? You don't need any kind of playing skill to zerg down a mob.

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That's so elitist and short sighted. First off, it's still not Coil gear. If you're really a min/maxer elitist then you shouldn't feel threatened by the same ilevel gear since the stats still aren't as good. Not everyone can get coil gear, and they've already said these hunts have been introduced to help gear the community for the next wave of content.

The community is getting geared, granted there might have been some short shortsightedness on how far people are willing to take trolling, and how self entitled people are for things they did not find. But that will be resolved with time.

You can't get upset that people are getting gear. That's just ridiculous. No game (aside from guild wars 2, probably) keeps the same high-end gear through out the game. I remember working my butt off for Dark Light gear, now it's an instance trash drop. Should I quit because my high-end gear is getting less shiny because people can get equivalent ilevel gear with not as good stats? If people get stuck on old content because they can't get the gear then people will quit, then who will you flaunt your high level gear to? That really will be the death of the community and the game.

How far are you guys willing to take these complaints? You aren't required to participate and the instances are all still there, they haven't gone anywhere. How much is this really hurting you aside from your - I dunno ... warped pride? If everyone really is doing hunts and you can't find anyone to not do hunts with then, maybe it's just you with a problem?

I don't really expect everyone to have same level of indifference that I do towards hunts, but do have trouble understanding how this is "the one thing" that is generating so much drama and is "ruining everything" and anything related to this game for players.

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Originally Posted by arctic

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People will cry about nearly anything that nullifies their fake feeling of superiority, I'm just happy I'm getting i110 faster for my secondary classes, I don't get why special snowflakes care so much whether other people are getting gear or not, since they still have shiny High Allagan gear.

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Originally Posted by arctic

That's such an extreme case of sensitive - I sincerely hope you never accidentally find yourself in the middle of a competition or confrontation.



That's so elitist and short sighted.

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Yes, thank you for proving me right. You are one of the best possible examples of the people who ruin the fun in this game. You only log in to troll and can't contribute anything meaningful to any discussion. Nothing more to be said, really.

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Originally Posted by RunaRugar

People will cry about nearly anything that nullifies their fake feeling of superiority, I'm just happy I'm getting i110 faster for my secondary classes, I don't get why special snowflakes care so much whether other people are getting gear or not, since they still have shiny High Allagan gear.

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The problem is not only that other people get their gear faster. This is also a problem of course, because an MMORPG is always about competition and SE always tried to balance the game for people with a life (or work as you may call it) and people without in the past. Right now people who play the game 24/7 are rewarded more for just being there and clicking one button over and over again like a zombie.
The reason for this is the main problem of the hunt:
The marks are not weekly limited. People just go on with their mindless, stupid, no skill requiring, game ruining mark farm. Which leads to another big problem:
All other parts of the game come short. Duty Finder queues take extreme amounts of time to pop now. FATE's are mostly empty. Even the Coerthas FATE people are almost absent now.

The game is not for skillful people anymore. Only silly childish trolls that want to get everything fast and then move on to the next MMO.

The game is not dead, but Hunting... well as you state, it´s just the easy way to max out your iLVL by zerging and grinding - or as others would say "winning, by having more time to waste than others"...

and it´s not hunting, it´s just a 4 Hour recurring Routine of zerging down a list of some "Notorious Monsters" which die faster than it´s able to do even a second attack ^^...

i could not care less for people with a full set of 110 Strategy Gear, as it clearly says they did not achieve anything else than wasting huge amounts of time for clearly not the best gear in the game, never touched coil (and probably EX-Primals).

It also is really joke, as Hunting Log´s are handed out like they cost a gil to the ones, and others don´t see more than 2-3 by now... but doubt the RNG, you doubt the whole game...

sure, it is really sad i can not kill an S-Rank with an an alliance of around 30 people like intended, and i probably will never figure out how which monster really works, unless the whole semi-casual player base has maxed out their gear - but that´s just one slice of a really, really big cake...

no really, i just stopped totally to care what other people do/did achieve in this game, i only care for if the game makes fun to me...

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Originally Posted by Verun

The problem is not only that other people get their gear faster. This is also a problem of course, because an MMORPG is always about competition and SE always tried to balance the game for people with a life (or work as you may call it) and people without in the past. Right now people who play the game 24/7 are rewarded more for just being there and clicking one button over and over again like a zombie.

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Verun, let's agree to disagree, at least on some of these points.
There's no doubt that the Hunt system needs further tweaking, and that the situation might be ameliorated by curbing the amount of Marks one can tally in a single istance (I'd suggest a daily quota on the elite targets, not unlike the Beast Tribe quests) and other adjustments, both to the mechanics and the creatures' prerogatives.

Also, simply mashing on a button doesn't take skill, and it's just dull. We're on the same page on that.

What I think isn't helping in this context is the slant on competition disjointed from cooperation. I'll elaborate further on it.

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Originally Posted by Verun

The reason for this is the main problem of the hunt:
The marks are not weekly limited. People just go on with their mindless, stupid, no skill requiring, game ruining mark farm. Which leads to another big problem:
All other parts of the game come short. Duty Finder queues take extreme amounts of time to pop now. FATE's are mostly empty. Even the Coerthas FATE people are almost absent now.

The game is not for skillful people anymore. Only silly childish trolls that want to get everything fast and then move on to the next MMO.

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Just trolls, I wonder? Just a problem with the new bloods?

I'm on Excalibur, so that might also be a server thing - but the hordes (they've been slimming down during the past two days) I've been occasionally running into are also comprised, more often than not, of people already boasting their high-spec gear.
Welp, I can even make out (when the client isn't buckling before the massive input) a few familiar faces from Mor Dhona and other supposedly elite areas of the game, not to mention players I've been familiar with since 1.0 -- at least some of them are undeniably organized, prepared, and in some cases outright excellent at anything Yoshida and Komoto might throw at them, Coil(s) included.

So what they're doing there? I don't know, honestly. Unless speedrun-crushing the top ranked Marks until they literally disappear into light amounts to skill, too.

There we have a problem, and I think RunaRunagar and Arctic have a point in asking that at least sometimes, we all get off our respective high horses and think beyond raw stats and ranks. What makes me willing to issue a recommendation isn't just how good Person A is with cooldowns and skills, which might be awesome in itself, but how they resonate with other people. Teamwork, a sincere willingness to help, learn (or teach); being assertive while also practicing humility. And a little kindness even to complete strangers.

Gear should be a commodity and a tool first and foremost, IMHO, something that allows us to get further into the game.

You're correct in saying that good rewards should come through effort, but that shouldn't undermine fair play and diversity. Just my two gil coins.

I thought hunts was a (doing something else, happen apon, oh snap kill it thing). And I still believe it is great. But after today I hate them. Not because someone pulled early or I only got 1 seal. Its because all my friends do IS hunt. Ive been talking about farming ramuh ex for a ring and a sch book and when asked they all said they was doing hunts. So i make a Party finder group to do ramuh ex.... It turned in a fkin hunt party because no one would join my ramuh ex be EVERYONE is doing HUNTS.(point = hunts are so rewarding whats the point in doing anything else?.)

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Originally Posted by RunaRugar

People will cry about nearly anything that nullifies their fake feeling of superiority, I'm just happy I'm getting i110 faster for my secondary classes, I don't get why special snowflakes care so much whether other people are getting gear or not, since they still have shiny High Allagan gear.

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Let me put this in perspective: I FINALLY cleared T5 2 weeks ago. I'm excited to run Second Coil and get gear/sands/oil there. I also just recently got a Weathered Soldiery weapon, so I'm done with Relic anything. It took lots of time, effort, and failure to get good enough to be where I am. . . And now a system has been implemented to allow people to get what I have if not more than that with FAR less time, effort, skill, or failure. It's not about feeling superior, no, but as it stands I can just go get my UAT from Syrcus Tower (and I did, actually. First drop I ever got), then do enough hunts for Sands/Oil. And voila, best sub-raid level gear in game. Why bother with Second Coil?

Mind you, I'm not thinking that way. I WANT to try Second Coil, now that I can. But largely the hunts are so rewarding that many players have become lethargic. Why work harder than you need to or run instanced content when you can just hunt? ALSO, remember when Yoshida said he didn't want to increase Atma drop rates because it "wouldn't be fair to the players' hard work" or something like that? This is exactly what just happened to anyone who has been/wants to start running Second Coil.

And lest we forget, gear doesn't top skill. Many players have the misconception that getting good gear (via hunts, speed runs for tomes, etc.) will allow them to take on harder content. No, honestly, it only gets you in the door. You don't get to the Super Bowl by simply throwing on football pads and a uniform, you get there by being one of the best football players you can be, regardless of your equipment quality.

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And lest we forget, gear doesn't top skill. Many players have the misconception that getting good gear (via hunts, speed runs for tomes, etc.) will allow them to take on harder content. No, honestly, it only gets you in the door. You don't get to the Super Bowl by simply throwing on football pads and a uniform, you get there by being one of the best football players you can be, regardless of your equipment quality.

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Indeed, gear is a tool, the key or "pass" to get through the door, the point bonuses don't compensate for whatever else one might be lacking... and whatever might be lurking behind the door itself. Patience, perseverance and enthusiasm are the real meat and potatoes of one's growth.

Hunt is great idea. Though set up is screw up so badly.
Bad side
-Player trash talk/troll much worst than before like in this thread.
-/blist early puller even with rank b.
-unlimit cap kill DF and pvp and primal.
- S rank Lag as early Odin and Behemonth fate cause mob disappear.
- Very unfriendly for solo player.
-Hunt is serious business.

Good side:
-you get sand/oil.
-Zone is super lively.
-very good team-play with waiting people arrive and hate early puller together.

Anything I miss?

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Originally Posted by Geist

Indeed, gear is a tool, the key or "pass" to get through the door, the point bonuses don't compensate for whatever else one might be lacking... and whatever might be lurking behind the door itself. Patience, perseverance and enthusiasm are the real meat and potatoes of one's growth.

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Bingo! I don't think there's anything wrong with the hunt. It's the people who run around, then someone "accidentally" pulls early. So what, go to the next one in 30 seconds. Eventually, the swarms of individuals looking to get level 90 gear from Allied Seals will dwindle and those who want level 100 and 110 gear for little work will also fade. You can only get so many soldiery tomes per week. People will have to start running the fights to get the drops of gear, then back to hunts to grab the oil and sands and upgrade it.

The childish stuff I saw online this weekend made me laugh. Name calling aside, I actually saw people telling others not to use AOE's and Chocobos. Really? I can't see the fight because of all the AOE's. Sorry, it's the only way WHM and SCH get their participation, so expect to see medica and holy if they are not using Stone II. Turn off the effects and you'll see just fine. Early pull? Move on. You want me to wait on this B while you slash down that A and S on your way, but you won't hold the A or S or invite me to your party so I can get credit? Sorry, B is dead, moving on. I'm not waiting any more than you did. You got more tomes than I did, so enjoy your victory. Geesh. Can't tell you how many B's I've blasted solo or with two people.

No matter if you are iLVL 110, if you don't know how to fight the bosses in anything from Howling Eye HM to Labyrinth to the Coil, you're still going to see your party get wiped because you think your overpowered stuff is making up for a lack of skill. [I use the word "you" in any person who believes this, not pointed to any individual.] It takes both skill and gear to win those fights. I watch all the YouTube videos I can on fights before I enter, regardless of how easy they might seem. Yes, there are still times when a team member doesn't know the mechanics or they just don't care, and yes there are wipes as a result. But for the most part, people who prepare will do well.

It's just like real life. Just because you own a Lamborghini doesn't mean you're a great driver, you have a Jimmy Page replica Les Paul you can play guitar, or you have a degree from Harvard you're the best candidate for a job. You need to be able to apply what you have.

If anything, I think the hunt fails the player only in that it requires no skill to upgrade gear so highly, leaving most (not all) folks who take advantage of this system to make it into raids and fights in which they lack the skill to apply their gear. It leaves me to wonder if the reason that most people are doing this is for bragging rights or do they truly want to take on Leviathan Extreme, Coil, or others?

Most players are on the huge TS channels. Very organized with someone calling out marks lol.. I haven't done any marks in huge groups or on TS and as of now I'm not going to.

If it makes you happy and you have fun doing that then by all means I have no issue with people using the system "as intended". I already feel less sense of accomplishment for most of everything in the game and always have. It's just a really, super easy mmorpg is all but I still play and always will.

The way hunts are right now though I just have no interest in all that mess no matter what quick rewards you can obtain and I get enough quick rewards as is.

I still just wish there was more end game content FC's could do together outside of dungeons and hunts... and yes I still miss xp pt's and the grind but I don't want massive changes to the game. Those "ffxi" days are gone and will stay gone.

It is what it is and I see no need for me to ruin it for those who enjoy it and I do enjoy it cause I still p2p.. just not very rewarding.. maybe short term it is.. very short term. They'll work on hunts and make them better overall. Just give it time.

Hunts seem incredibly obnoxious to me.

Not because they let everyone get 110 gear, but because there's nothing to them. It's been said by others, but it's just show up, poke mob X along with 60 others for 5-20 seconds, profit. The game shouldn't be that.

I understand not wanting to have 12 hour fights, I understand wanting to make things accessible, I understand wanting to give casual players a way to get the second-best gear, and I understand wanting events that get everyone on the server together. I don't necessarily agree that all of those are good design principles, but I get the arguments for them. Having it done this way though... it's just sad.

At least let people run through an interesting fight or something. Some four person content that's easy to assemble a team for, and not super challenging. I don't want to think up solutions: there's lots of ways to do it better. I just want to add my two cents saying that these hunts are terrible.

this is solely my opinion, marks dont need to be limitated the way to obtain them though maybe yes. Meaning, you only can kill once a given mob per week. After that you no longer can kill the same for a whole week. This way it MIGHT give people that didnt have a chance to get marks rather then reach the mob but not be able to even target it.

Just me though

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I think that SE needs to make copies of all marks but make the new marks FC specific. We can use our FC points to pop an even harder version of the marks we hunt as a group. That way people who are not a part of an FC can kill marks that roam while FCs pop their version of the mark w/o worrying about resets or people complaining that they pulled before the entire zone got there. FCs can summon an A-S rank mark and being able to down it as an FC; Like the leves but for FC members in party. It may even encourage people to join an FC instead of going solo. And I think that all marks.. roaming or FC specific should have a limit. If you kill them once, then you won't get credit for killing them again based off how many seals you earned equaling the max credit allowed for that rank, then you can't earn anymore for that monster after that. I think if you implement this, trolls will stop chomping up content and all of the shout wars will gradually begin to stop.

Hunts do need some adjustments but for the most part I enjoy them (Even though I only do rank B)

I would like to see them add more NMs and different spawn triggers (Lottery spawn(killing normal mobs to make an NM pop), Force spawn (using an rare item to lure it out) etc.

But please SE, do not make hunts instanced dungeons or even instanced the way Chimera fight was. We need open world content.

Maybe it is “unfair” that the high-level kit many players worked their butts off to get is now easily obtainable via The Hunt. But if that’s what makes it fun for some players, so be it. I suspect the programmers and producers will ratchet back “The Hunt” in time, and those who got their gear that way will learn just how little good it does them if they can’t wield it effectively.

As someone above said, having really flashy gear doesn’t make an unskilled character any good in a fight. Similarly, knowing the best way to get to a given place and getting there on foot beats riding a Couerl but having no idea where you’re going. I’d rather go into battle with marginally-equipped team members who know how to deal with a given monster; who understand teamwork, tactics, and strategy; who think clearly and know how to adapt, than with team members that are super-equipped but still clueless.

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Maybe it is “unfair” that the high-level kit many players worked their butts off to get is now easily obtainable via The Hunt. But if that’s what makes it fun for some players, so be it.

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I don't think this is the main problem (it's something I don't like, but that's subjective).

The real problem is that it encourages spamming stuff with 60+ people. There's barely a fight, and there's certainly no challenge. It just seems so entirely pointless to me, other than as a way to get gear. I really see little difference between doing hunts and having an upgrade button you can press to turn you i100 gear to i110 after having spirit bonded it to 100%.

If SE wants to adopt a system of gear with updates... I don't love that, but I get why they would and I can live with it. Just make the way of getting the new stuff at least somewhat interesting. Let people do something, anything, more meaningful than poking mobs with 60 other people for five to ten seconds.

I want fun fights in this game. I think that much is something casual and hardcore people can agree on, although how hard the fights should be might be answered differently by each group. But do any of you actually think that hunts result in fun fights for either group? Seriously, the only thing they result in is gear. And people like getting shiny new stuff too, sure. But it's really empty if you're not doing anything to get it.

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Open world content is one thing. Hoping you can click the coordinates, teleport, load, mount up and race to the flag before the NM (which has been auto-announced in every major hunt LS and Free Company) dies is quite another.

1:06 P.M. <Announcing Person> Hunt Target XXXXXXX <11,27 Upper La Nosca> sighted.
1:06 P.M. <Announcing Person> Hunt Target XXXXXXX has been defeated.
Rinse, repeat 75 times/day.

It isn't "fun." It definitely isn't fun to go to coordinates and not even see the hunt target due to server overload of players. How did they not anticipate that a system with an insanely generous reward-vs-effort ratio would have a metric ton of issues both technical and communal?

@ExMachina

I don't know how it is on your server but on Excalibur, B rank mobs really aren't over camped. S rank is a zerg-fest (needs some adjustments like I said in my original post). But I've come across 10 or so B rank NMs in the past few days with no-one else in sight, tell my friends to come help me kill them and we are usually the only ones there. If we see other people we invite them. (and Excalibur is a very populated server)

My advise to you if you want to do hunts and have it not feel like a waste of time
1. get a friend or 2 (you don't need a full pt, I do fine with just me, my boyfriend, and a FC friend)
2. if you know an LS is trying to pop an S rank, search another zone for a B rank (B ranks pop every hour) (most of the server will have gotten word that an LS is trying to pop an S rank and that zone will be full of people)
3. run around and look for the NM. You'd be surprised how often B or even A ranks are just up and chilling with no one around.

and this is coming from someone who only plays 3 hours a day.

As far as the whole "hunts are ruining the game" argument, not true! It's nice to actually play with people on my server. I'm sick of mind numbing DF dungeons where we are thrown in with a batch of people from random servers we'll probably never see again.

I'm not saying hunts are perfect, I agree they do need some adjustments, but I do not agree that they should be instanced content. A little competition is good for the community.

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Originally Posted by Melian

...having an upgrade button you can press to turn you i100 gear to i110 after having spirit bonded it to 100%...

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SB i100 to 100%... ^^;

Should be much harder than hunting...

Let's think positive,

now no one need to complain can't get gear from dungeons,
also no one blame 13500 myth for animus,
no more complain they need to SR everything,
no one complain ppl not waiting first timer to watch CS,
no one say if you run X for myth, you are doing wrong,
and no suggestion for more NM and open world content.... etc

So, i think hunting was what some players suggested previously.
BTW, I don't hunt everyday, bcoz it is hard to stop.

I suggest ppl don't like hunting just ignore it,
very soon, i110 will become something like darklight, take it easy!
So to resolve everything, just push SE throw out i120 immediately! so simple. ^^;

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Originally Posted by ExMachina

Open world content is one thing. Hoping you can click the coordinates, teleport, load, mount up and race to the flag before the NM (which has been auto-announced in every major hunt LS and Free Company) dies is quite another.

1:06 P.M. <Announcing Person> Hunt Target XXXXXXX <11,27 Upper La Nosca> sighted.
1:06 P.M. <Announcing Person> Hunt Target XXXXXXX has been defeated.
Rinse, repeat 75 times/day.

It isn't "fun." It definitely isn't fun to go to coordinates and not even see the hunt target due to server overload of players. How did they not anticipate that a system with an insanely generous reward-vs-effort ratio would have a metric ton of issues both technical and communal?

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I recall some players use to make announcements upon arrival but I found they arrived a little bit late...^^;

being in a party doesn't even matter. it's still hard to get seals. i get 1~5 seals from all rank marks. thats B, A and S Rank marks. they all always award me with only 1~5 seals. and half the time i am the one to discover it and form the party. it doesn't even matter if the games frame rate is decent or not. heck there have been times when the game simply refused to register my enmity and didn't reward ANYTHING.

all-in-all The Hunt is hugely broken. and for those that it does work... thanks for ruining Tomestones of Mythology. >_> is okay though. not your fault. SE implemented this "The Hunt" in a VERY POOR manner.