Lately, there have been multiple people that will queue up and enter an expert level dungeon and then immediately switch to spiritbonding gear that is below the ilvl to get into the dungeon. Some people even put on crafting gear and expect the other 3 people to carry them through. Is there any way for a gear check to be implemented that could check the current iLvl/battle gear? Maybe give them one chance to switch to actual gear and if they do not kick them from the group.
Anyone else been seeing these people in dungeons lately?
Gear Checks for instances.
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07-28-2014, 12:02 PMwfrisc1Gear Checks for instances.
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07-28-2014, 01:52 PMLithera
Yah I don't get these people...if they want to spiritbond gear they can put up a SB party in PF and go spam Turn 3...or at least spiritbond ilvl70 stuff that matches your job...maybe just bond a couple of accessories? Don't assume you're going to get a team of overgeared vets that can carry your undergeared ass. These same people will bitch if there's a wipe as well. You don't think that maybe it was the result of your SB gear gimped cures not being enough to keep the tank afloat?
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07-28-2014, 01:55 PMRuri
I could care less if people spiritbind in dungeons as long as noone wipes and mobs die.
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07-28-2014, 01:57 PMDuuude007How much less, exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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07-28-2014, 02:27 PMYoninxi
I usually talk or heal in instances. I tell them put their real gear on or I'll sit there doing nothing
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07-28-2014, 03:59 PMRurithink of anything, it's less than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
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07-28-2014, 05:03 PMDuuude007Ok, i will take that inference at heart, and assume that you have just shy of an undying dedication to it. Less than that is still something, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
Now if you 'couldn't care less', then we wouldn't be having this conversation, heh. -
07-28-2014, 06:05 PMRuriNot even sure what we are talking about anymore lol, been awake since 11am yesterday is now 5am the next dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
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07-28-2014, 06:13 PMDuuude007Hunt rewards are addictive, yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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07-29-2014, 04:41 AMAlexPayne
The only time SB in dungeons is going to cause a wipe is if people just refuse to do the place normally. Nowhere is it stated that you MUST pull everything in a dungeon at once. If pulls are normal sized, a few accessories aren't going to hurt you. Sure, you don't want a tank in nothing BUT SB gear, but I've never seen that happen anyway.
Most of the potency is in the weapon. If these guys are toting a i100-110 weapon around in WP or AK for instance, you'll be just fine as long as you don't get crazy. -
07-29-2014, 05:21 AMRhazeCain
Had 2x Stone Vigil HM runs recently where I was highest DPS as a warrior tank (i100 weapon, vit spec, i70 crafted accessories for 45 STR beyond base, and Defiance on). Even with lesser gear I'd expect DPS classes to exceed a tank. Maybe not double like a good DPS, but at least exceed by a little.
Didn't inspect all of the folks doing it, but those I did inspect were not spirit bonding. Sometimes people are just bad.
Anyway, I consider spirit bonding in dungeons rude - which is why I've never done it. A few items on someone and I don't care, especially if the dungeon is particularly easy. On the other hand if you wear mostly i45-49 or crafting/gathering gear in an Expert Roulette dungeon, you're just trolling. Treat those people like any other troll. -
07-29-2014, 07:17 AMDonjo
We're perfectly allowed to kick people who are being particularly stupid with the gear they wear into a dungeon. If they are:
1. Wearing gear that totals to an average item level lower than the requirement.
2. Wearing any gear, especially body pieces, that do not contain the job's main stat.
2a. Wearing any body pieces that do not contain Vitality.
3. Spiritbinding a weapon.
4. Spiritbinding equipment that cannot be converted to materia(ie. Legionary Visor, most Green Dungeon drops, etc.)
That person is likely to be a troll and should be kicked. -
07-29-2014, 07:23 AMMyrhn
I put my SB gear and glamour it to look like the real deal. No problem so far...
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07-29-2014, 09:43 AMMilesSaintboroguhUntil they inspect your gear and have the game reveal what the item really is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
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Originally Posted by Donjo
For them to troll you, they'd have to be purposely sabotaging your raid. Wearing nothing but gear to spirit bind is just stupid, not trolling. Also, I thought most dungeons have an ilvl requirement now so that you can't go in with super weak gear. -
07-29-2014, 10:02 AMAshkendorHonestly, that's grounds for a kick right there. I'd call them out on it in party chat and ask them to put on appropriate gear. If they refuse or if they don't answer, I would vote kick right then and there; I've done it many times. I don't do roulette (Or CT/ST) to carry people through dungeons so that they can spiritbond i45-49 gear that they could just as easily get done by simply going and spamming mobs in Urth's Gift.Quote:
Originally Posted by wfrisc1
I had a CM run a week or two back where one tank was brand new and the other tank was wearing gathering gear. We ended up wiping twice before the tank in gathering gear decided to actually switch back to some real gear so that we could keep her alive. I have no idea what would motivate anyone to do this on a tank of all things...
So... you're sb'ing gear that's the same item level equivalent of what you're glamouring it to, then? As long as it isn't crafting or gathering gear, I'm 100% fine with that. I start to have a problem with spiritbonding when people are wearing gear that's inappropriate to the dungeon, either for item level or stat/job reasons. Sorry, but Patrician's sets do not belong in any dungeon and DRG should not be wearing INT gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
Same here. You are basically telling the rest of your party "CARRY PLZ".Quote:
Originally Posted by RhazeCain
The problem is you can switch gear once you're inside the instance, and people abuse this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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07-31-2014, 08:57 AMLunarEmerald
Smart people only SB accessories in dungeons. Accessories make up maybe 5% of your stats
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07-31-2014, 01:03 PMZophar
I personally only SB accessories, and only accessories that have the appropriate stat. And I don't do it all the time. I won't do it in expert dungeons, and I won't do in ST, but I will do it in story or high level, but only on my jobs that are of high enough ilvl that I can still pull my own weight. But I also pay attention to things. If the other DD is undergeared, I'll put my real gear on. If the tank is way undergeared, I may actually put SB gear ON to help lessen the odds of stealing hate (it's not always enough). But I have NEVER been carried by anyone while spirit bonding, nor would I ever expect to be.