Eluder Explanation

I have been looking for a detailed explanation for which mobs each "Eluder" ability works for, and couldn't find any. Each guild sells one and it seems to cover pretty much every mob category. Has somebody experience with those / can list the mobs each works for?

Here's a list of all of them (Guild it is bought from):

Ashkin Eluder (Weaver)
Beastkin Eluder (Miner)
Cloudkin Eluder (Carpenter)
Forgekin Eluder (Alchemist)
Scalekin Eluder (Leatherworker)
Seedkin Eluder (Botanist)
Soulkin Eluder (Blacksmith)
Spoken Eluder (Armorer)
Vilekin Eluder (Culinarian)
Voidsent Eluder (Goldsmith)
Wavekin Eluder (Fisher)

I have seedkin and scalekin.

The moves make the target not aggro to you or de-aggro.

Seedkin works on like flytraps, terotraps (the plant flower mobs).

Scalekin works on drakes.

IMO these abilities are really nice and work, yet they have 8min cooldown. When you switch to your DoL class the timers on them reset and you have to wait 8mins to use. So unless you have been on the class for awhile it's really not helpful to just run past mobs, your better off just using quickstride and running lol.

@Shyd: thx a lot for ur answer. I knew the part about de-aggro and seedkin and scalekin seem clear. Yet the others (esp. Spoken, Soulkin, Forgekin, Ashkin) seem unclear to me exactly what mobs they work on. Do you have an idea?

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Seedkin - Plantoids
Cloudkin - Flying
Wavekin - Aquans
Scalekin - Reptiles
Vilekin - Insects/Evil?
Beastkin - Animals/Insects? (Chigoes drop Beastkin Blood.)
Soulkin - Ghosts/Elementals?
Ashkin - Dragons?
Forgekin - Bombs/Machines?
Spoken - Humanoids
Voidsent - Undead/Demons?

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Found this.Hope it helps.

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Originally Posted by Shyd

Found this.Hope it helps.

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Awesome!! Thx a bunch! That means that beastmen go in the "Spoken" category I would assume?

One thing tho:
Dragons are Scalekin aren't they?
Ashkin could be bombs or skeletons maybe?

Yea ashkin should be skeletons and zombies stuff like that.

Scalekin are like drakes, peisti, raptor.

Here a list of ASSUMPTIONS based on your list (please correct me if you feel/know otherwise):

Seedkin - Funguar, Traps, Sylphs
Cloudkin - Birds
Wavekin - Orobons, Toads, Efts?
Scalekin - Drakes, Peiste, Raptors
Vilekin - Gnats, Swarms
Beastkin: Antelope Stags, Hogs, Wolves, Hyenas
Soulkin - Bogies (those that look like flying sperm lol), Elementals
Ashkin - Bombs, Skeletons
Forgekin - Machines
Spoken - Footpads, Buccaneers, Ixali, Amalj'aa
Voidsent - Puddings, Imps (yet, Voidsent blood item drops off chigoe in the leve "Volatile Vitals"?)

I just got the ability but I haven't used it yet, however it does confuse me a tad. I thought that it was an ability you use on yourself and you would gain a status effect that causes those mobs not to engage you for a set amount of time. Though it appears you target a mob and can evade just the one? I am gonna run out to check it out but I think the more logical use would to make these skills mp based with a perp cost. You use seedkin eluder 30 to activate and it would tick at 5mp and while your mp is ticking you can't restore mp unless you deactivate said ability. I think that would at least make it more useful, for the only other active ability a gather can use it is kinda lackluster lol. Though maybe my response will change when I try it on the field.

Yep, it is an ability you cast on one mob, and this mob will not aggro you (lose aggro).
The ability as a recast timer of 10 minutes, however.

Yes, I agree that an MP-based ability casted on urself would be interesting. But since SE is planning to add a stealth skill I assume that they have something in mind that will address this. Hopefully that skill will be implemented very soon!! :-)

Eluder skills are very unuseful right now. they are 10 sec duration and 10m recast. A waste of points unless 1.19 or beyond changes the skill.

I know, yet sometimes its only one mob thats disturbing and in this case the ability can be useful.

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Originally Posted by AlphaLion

I know, yet sometimes its only one mob thats disturbing and in this case the ability can be useful.

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too bad now with this update, at higher grade nodes there are now groups of hostile mobs at node points, and eluder only works on one.... for 10 seconds lol.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Bestiary

Yep, for large groups of mobs eluder skills don't help much, but while waiting for stealth skill to be implemented at least they offer some help I would assume. Since I have never actually used them myself I would like to know more about which mobs they work for so I can decide which of them is worth getting.

Have tested two of them now:
- Beastkin Eluder worked on Wild Hog
- Spoken Eluder worked on Ixali Fencer

Ya right now it looks impossible to do the Rank 36 Botanist Quest quest, first I have to get past a raptor and roesling, so I use the eluder on the roesling and run only to run into 3 more roeslings lol. I realy don't understand what they were thinking make it a single target one mob kinda ability it makes absolutely no sense. With the stealth skills in mind it would make a lot of sense just to revamp the eluders to make them more useful. If Eluder works in a way where I could run past a series of seedkin based mobs for a good bit I would prolly be able to make it to the destination without trouble and there would really be no issue. Though as it stands now I wish this was something they would implement soon lol.

The way I see it working is the mob targets you and if they sense you have "X-eluder" and it's related to you they auto-disengage and lose hate lol, at least that's how the eluders seem to work now so they just need to allow you to evade more then one single mob lol. Well off I got again to try and complete the rank 36 quest lol.

When I did that quest I just ran to the ! and it threw me into the instance, and I lost aggro on everything chasing me. Not sure if they've patched that but give it a try.

@Wynn: tyvm!!

Finally official explanation!! :-)

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Good evening, Anonymoose!

Next to voidkin, soulkin probably rates as one of the most difficult taxonomical terms to decipher. For the most part, the regnum (kingdom) and class names used in Eorzea are fairly straightforward:

Bloodborn
Seedkin: cactuars, funguars, roselings, etc.
Vilekin: chigoes, midges, yarzons, etc.
Wavekin: megalocrabs, orobons, slugs, etc.
Cloudkin: dodos, chocobos, vultures, etc.
Beastkin: Wolves, moles, rats, etc.
Scalekin: basilisks, raptors, drakes, etc.
Spoken: Ixal, kobolds, sylphs, the 5 races of Eorzea, etc.

Bloodless
Ashkin: skeletons, wights, ghosts, etc.
Soulkin: spriggans, coblyns, doblyns
Forgekin: juggernauts, mammets

Transcendents
Voidsent: ahriman, ogres, imps, etc.

Soulkin are called such by Eorzean scholars because it is believed that while these creatures once had a will of their own, they now find their souls bound to another object or being, and are essentially being controlled by the invasive secondary force.

Sorry about the brevity, but I hope that clears things up a bit!

Now, back to work I go! :D

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