Hey guys, please feel free to share your experience of selfish DDs whose obsession with maximizing damage puts the whole party at risk.
Let me start first:
T6: DDs who have vines on them but yet choose to remain static / near rafflesia in order to keep dps'ing
T6/7: DDs who does not stop dps'ing even though Rafflesia hp is near 40% but spit is still long way to go; or during phase change at 60% and 35% hp for T7 boss
T6/7: DDs who does not save any off CD abilities to burn down bulbs, bees or Lamia.
Selfish DDs
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07-22-2014, 12:01 AMHippoSelfish DDs
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07-22-2014, 12:07 AMKamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri
Take one to know one lol.
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07-22-2014, 02:57 AMZamii
honestly you shouldnt need cooldowns as a dps for the bulbs in T6 if you know what your doing, but anyway, most common culprit i see is monks in turn 9 causing wipes one way or another because they tried to maintain their GL stacks.
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07-22-2014, 10:17 AMskaterger
Well this happened a long time ago while pugging for a T5 group with 3 friends. After a couple wipes, we realised that the bard was dealing lower damage than the tank and also wasn't singing foe and when we asked him about it, he said he didn't do it cause it would lower his dps. When we pointed out that was not true, he then changed his story to say that he didn't want the casters do do more dps than him. We were like lol wut? He was booted that very instant.
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07-22-2014, 11:05 AMPArcherFirst off, you must be PUGing. Cause all those points are things people do all the time in a static.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
1) Melee generally will stick to the boss in statics, as they do no DPS away (even BLM can Scathe while moving, or hold a Firestarter for Vines, though many groups will also have BLM stay where they are). I always see OT move first, then healers move, then ranged, then melee if they're stuck to each other.
2) If Spit is far away, YOU KEEP DPSING. A good group will only have 1 Honey during that phase. If you have the DPS to push and someone holds back...that DPS is going to cause a wipe.
3) Lol, CDs are used on CD. You don't hold any unless you're only holding for <5 seconds or are really new to the fight. If you don't have the DPS to burn down adds without CDs, your DPS need to get better. -
07-22-2014, 08:32 PMEphierQuote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
Point I - I play monk, and if I am chained to a bard, caster or healer, I ain't moving. Sometimes move for healers depending on whats going on, like if you have 3 chains on you during the burn phase. And to be honest, when one person sits still, its a lot easier to break chains.
Point II - Not slowing down for phase changes that you are not going to push properly is stupid, agreed.
Point III - You should not really need to save oGCDs to kill bulbs and bees, their HP pool is quite low. -
07-22-2014, 10:05 PMHippo
What I am trying to say is that by pushing for that extra few dps when the group does not need that extra dps to clear the raid but which puts the raid party in danger, is the behaviour of a selfish DD
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07-22-2014, 10:11 PMHipporeally? does your party's DD not save any CD for <5s for T9 phase 3? Does your paly use Hallowed Ground on CD?Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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07-22-2014, 10:15 PMEphierNow you are just playing devils advocate just to do it. You know what PArcher meant. And no I do not save cooldowns in t9 at all, because if you use your cooldowns when they come up, you will have them back up by next phase, PB for golems, PB for heavensfall etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
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07-22-2014, 10:31 PMHippoOk my bad for on the pally part but I disagree that a DD should use oCD on cooldown. Do you use IR when you know that Nael is going to jump? Do you use BfB when you are assigned to mine duty and next set of mine is dropping 10s later? Are all fights so nicely scripted for monks such that the timing that an oCD becomes available is the best time to use that oCD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
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07-23-2014, 10:59 AMPArcherNow you're just playing dumb. Using CDs on CD is the same as using the ideal DRG or MNK rotations. Its the norm, and gives you the most DPS overall on a standard fight. Do you always use your rotation as its written? No. Exceptions (yes, exceptions) exist which force you to adapt. But I'll state it again...they are exceptions, not the rule. The vast majority of fights lasting long enough for you to be able to use CDs again don't have long enough breaks to force you to hold CDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
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07-23-2014, 12:15 PMLionKingI agree with PArcher, don't be so ridiculously dumb, unreasonable, or behave like a child. I would like to ask if you save CD when you know that Nael will be there for the next 20s??? I hope not because otherwise, you are getting carried by your team in term of DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
Do you need CD to kill those Bulb, Bee or w/e you name it? Yes and No. You save them when you know they are gonna appear soon, like in the next 5sec, and not if they more 60sec or more away. Are there absolute need to have CD to kill them? No. If without CD, you can not take them down, it is time to re-evaluate your DPS because I will say it straight: Your DPS is bad.... Gear better or learn to play better. -
07-23-2014, 04:23 PMFelessanThere are only certain cases when "stop dps" command should be applied in those and it's a leader job to educate party and announce them. If you haven't got second honey - there are no reason to stop dps. Same with T7 where 1st phase shift can be managed by person who are in charge of cyclops by adjusting it's own dps on boss and second phase shift occur only when last add dies that makes it easy to control by leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
You don't need CD to burn all three, and if you do you problems lies not in CDs of dps, but in low dps in general or lack of focus fire on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
Its DPS job, and they should be focused on it as much as possible unless they instructed otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
They should in general, unless there are some mechanics that force you postpone Cd activations. It's like 90% of time they should be activated on cooldown, and some special cases (like Nael jumps) where you should know timings of inactivity windows and plan CD accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
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07-23-2014, 04:29 PMOoshimaOf course not. These are common sense items. You obviously know what he meant and you are trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo
If not, (that you actually need someone to tell you not to pop CD on CD when boss is gonna leave the arena few secs later), you should consider if you should play this game.