Better graphics!

So any plans to boost the current max graphic settings? We PC users with powerful comps would like to get more out of this game! :D (yes I know about sweetfx)

There's the long awaited DX11 update/ client that they have been working on/ delaying for some time. I can't really tell if it's supposed to be available this year or not. Last I heard they would announce something after the Chinese launch this summer...which may have happened or is coming up soon..? I'm not actually sure since China's servers (and entire game client) are separated from the rest of the world, obviously...

The game is already gorgeous as it is, and I'd think there's quite a few things they could fix or implement first before a "better max graphics" for a small percentage of the playerbase.

I'd rather have higher res player/model/weapon and more polygons on the meshes. Hell, bring back the butts on the women while you're at it.

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Originally Posted by Reokudo

I'd rather have higher res player/model/weapon and more polygons on the meshes. Hell, bring back the butts on the women while you're at it.

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^ This pretty much.

A friend of mine was talking about this yesterday I'll say the same thing here as I told him.
I prefer better content over better graphics then better graphics over better content.
More time they take to focus on graphics is time taken away from making content.

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Originally Posted by SisterJane

A friend of mine was talking about this yesterday I'll say the same thing here as I told him.
I prefer better content over better graphics then better graphics over better content.
More time they take to focus on graphics is time taken away from making content.

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you are aware that SE employs artists an programmers right? the point is they have people who take care of all these things, one guy doing his job is not going to take away from another guy doing his job.

I think the player models look fantastic, but the enemy models look pretty bad..

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I prefer better content over better graphics then better graphics over better content.

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The word is, "than" otherwise this sentence makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

I think the player models look fantastic, but the enemy models look pretty bad..

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Yes... just awful.

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/vid/thumb...FXIV_Ifrit.jpg

they certainly could fix the horrendous clipping on character models. even the relic weapon is clipping through the af armor like crazy, when at least this one set should somehow work.

DX11 is coming. Look forward to it!

That means it will be here eventually. Since they said they have to release a new client for DX11 that it will probably come with the new expansion.

yes but to implant the D9/11 it would mean a rework shutdown 24hours and a big ass patch...why dont we all wait at patch 3.0 since that will be an expansion.

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Originally Posted by SisterJane

A friend of mine was talking about this yesterday I'll say the same thing here as I told him.
I prefer better content over better graphics then better graphics over better content.
More time they take to focus on graphics is time taken away from making content.

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Those are pretty much two completely separate departments.

Graphical Improvements are important to the development team and the players, it's considered time well spent to improve the visual dynamics of FFXIV:ARR.
The game is perfectly capable of expanding on what they currently have and improving it, as the hardware requirements for ARR currently are quite (intentionally) low to fit a common demonimator.

The most important factor you need to know is;
NOT EVERYONE IS DOING THE SAME THING.

Hotfix/Bugs TEAM
2.3 TEAM
DirectX11 Client Conversation Adjustments + High Resolution/Uncompressed Texture Adjustments TEAM
2.4 TEAM
Expansion TEAM
(This is just a guesstimate based on what the development team posted a while back, not an exact 'These are the teams')

As content is released, the teams shift, the focus changes, more people are added to teams to smoothly progress the content, this keeps the ball rolling and the work flow smooth.
Hopefully you can see the general idea here, in that one thing can be developed without affecting the speed of other content being produced.

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Originally Posted by IgnisFatuus

they certainly could fix the horrendous clipping on character models. even the relic weapon is clipping through the af armor like crazy, when at least this one set should somehow work.

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From a developers perspective I can guarantee that they'll never fix that, it's as common as muck in MMOs (and games in general), with the large variances in gear sets, weapon sizes/styles ontop of a metric ton of animations, customizing this for each weapon or gear-set would be a tremendous waste of time.

If I'm animating a set of soldiers with varying weapon types, the programming for the position of the actual weapons will be the same for every-gun to save time, some clipping may occur through helmets, back-packs, ass-packs or even the chest on the character model when they're holding the gun. And that's okay. It really doesn't take away from the game that much, and to spend time adjusting it is time better spent elsewhere.


Don't get me wrong, it irritates me to no end, when it happens in my work it drives me nuts but I know that it's not worth the time or effort.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

I think the player models look fantastic, but the enemy models look pretty bad..

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The current process used to create the character and enemy models for FFXIV:ARR is essentially a process that goes from an extremely detailed 'High Poly' model, which then uses a process called 'Normal Mapping' to apply the detail of the high poly model onto a low poly model as a texture. This way you can have the appearance of high detail at a low rendering cost, allowing more room for other models in the scene.

This is a process that's been used for more than a decade now, and along with a few other texture shading techniques other effects can be achieved to mimic high detail at a low rendering cost.

Here's an example of some of the high-poly models created for FFXIV:ARR;

http://31.media.tumblr.com/35589365f...lj4o5_1280.jpg
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...g/sqex-005.jpg
http://31.media.tumblr.com/55f1b24d8...lj4o2_1280.jpg
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...g/sqex-008.jpg

As you can see below, the object on the left is the sculpted high poly model from which the detail will be referenced, the one on the right is the low-poly model in which the detail will be projected via a set of texture maps.

http://grindinggear.com/dev-diary-sa..._thumbnail.jpg


Here's an example of the 'split' types of maps used to create this detail;

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/...er-d3fqmrc.png


"But how does the normal map work??"

Easy! The 3D detail is saved on an RGB scale (as shown below), based on this information the normal maps will generate detail based on the in-game lightings position and intensity.
It's as simple as that, as the object moves the texture does all the work.

http://www.noisyknuckles.com/cms_fil...amechar/05.jpg


"Why not just use the high poly models??"

Each 'polygon' from a 3D mesh gets converted into triangles for use inside the game engine, each frame the game has to re-render each triangle and update any changes made in the last frame.

Consider all the character models, environmental models, animations and more taking place every-single-frame that the computer is having to process, the less of these the better.



Finding a balance between detail and performance is a key factor in designing an MMO such as this, as you could have up to 100-200 character models on screen at once.

Let's say each charachter model is 2,000 (this is extremely low). That's up to 400,000 polygons already, not including the environment around you.



The process they're using is a professional one and it brings a great deal of detail to the game, they have fantastic artists that put a tremendous amount of work into the game, but there are limitations, but they work for our benefit in the end.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

It's not the DX11 client I'm excited about. It's the apparent normal map resolution upgrade that's coming along with/near it.

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THIS ^

Times a thousand, blurry nipples BE GONE.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

you are aware that SE employs artists an programmers right? the point is they have people who take care of all these things, one guy doing his job is not going to take away from another guy doing his job.

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what he means is, money could be spent on content vs. better artwork..i agree w/ this 100%

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Originally Posted by LunarCain

yes but to implant the D9/11 it would mean a rework shutdown 24hours and a big ass patch...why dont we all wait at patch 3.0 since that will be an expansion.

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DX11 client is just that, a client. You could (and many will) continue using the DX9 client as well as PS3/4. As such there shouldn't be any maintenance and shutdowns involved, though they probably will release it to coincide with a major patch/ expansion.

While i think the DX11 version will look a bit nicer, there's just no way they're going to adjust the polygon resolution of characters/ mobs/ NPCs/ anything that deforms based on a skeleton or likely anything at all. Just too much work involved (and performance hits) for very little gain.

It's not the DX11 client I'm excited about. It's the apparent normal map resolution upgrade that's coming along with/near it.

I want an upgrade to textures.

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Originally Posted by Solonuke

I want an upgrade to textures.

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Already partially confirmed.

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Q: How is work with DirectX 11 compatibility going?
Yoshida: After Niconico Chokaigi 3 is over, I'm going to be going on a media tour to Australia. We have the quality check for the DX11 edition scheduled around the time that's over.

We're going to be looking over uncompressed textures. The process is moving along but it's not going to get much faster so I would anticipate the release for this to be no sooner than the end of this year.

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The team responsible for DX11 client is likely also responsible for the DX9 client, which also needs enhancements and fixes to support new content.
The team responsible for models and textures and associated resources to complement the DX11 client, also need to work on new resources for new content.

Even if there are plenty of teams involved, it's not likely that they have separate teams that work on textures for DX9, DX11, PS3, PS4...

When it comes to textures and models for new content, they likely prepare it for the DX11 version right away now, even if they didn't do that for 2.0.

Feel like the game looks good as is. my eyes kinda hurt at how nice it is on my new gaming pc.
since i switched from PS3 to PC @_@ i play on laptop high [i get a better fps boost] and i dont really see the diffence
in max settings sepct like 25-30 fps...but not real graphic difference.
now some mounts they have on here...aka the whm unicorn needs
to be under rainbow mountain a lil longer/
its mane texture and tails looks god dang awful.

The mmo with the graphics of a single player game and you want more...
Let SE work with the content first, THEN they can go ahead and fix whatever can be fixed on the graphics.

Curious (and this is all just hypothetical) - what's stopping them from completely rebuilding the 1.0 client (with it's graphics engine) to make it work with ARR? For purposes of graphics, I mean? Obviously they wouldn't be able to bring back the animations and such from 1.0, but they could just build on the skeleton and graphics engine from that client to give people with high-end machines a boost.

Keep in mind I'm not asking for them to use the old zone maps and such. I'm asking for a rebuild of a client - it's just a graphical front-end, after all. There would still be the smaller ARR zones, zone lines, instanced dungeons, simplified and faster character animations, etc, but we could have the amazing textures, meshes, and gear physics that 1.0 had while still enjoying ARR.

Ultimately, I'm guessing that money and time would be the only things keeping them from it. Possibly a stigma against anything 1.0, too.

I just want prettier armor. Everything is so bland, robes are trash bags, we have like five skirts. Even the pretty armors, Foestrikers for instance, have this huge long flat texture from the waist down that clip like a razor blade through any mount you ride. I'll take better item design over better graphics. I want to feel like a bad ass not some rice farmer peddling my harvests in the slums.