NM Rare Monsters Appearing in Dungeons

Hi, would like to suggest that dungeons should spawn NM. Guaranteed a rank B but can spawn A-S. It would be a great incentive to start hitting dungeons again as you never know what NM can spawn at any given moment.

This would at least ease some pressure off of the mad rush of NM hunting in the open world.

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Originally Posted by Albatross7

Hi, would like to suggest that dungeons should spawn NM. Guaranteed a rank B but can spawn A-S. It would be a great incentive to start hitting dungeons again as you never know what NM can spawn at any given moment.

This would at least ease some pressure off of the mad rush of NM hunting in the open world.

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10chars says no.

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Originally Posted by Logo

10chars says no.

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10chars says yes. Or no wait, that'd be 11? idk...

srsly though, good idea. It'd add some variety, take a bit more time but be worth it. Would also need to be scaled down for 4 people...maybe instead make new marks that occasionally spawn in various dungeons. Kinda like the wanted mobs in leves.

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Originally Posted by Logo

10chars says no.

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At least give a reason why, kinda defeats the purpose of constructive criticism...
IMO adding NM it would certainly pique the interest of running dungeons other than the myth/soldiery farm routine.

There's already issues for new players stemming from dungeons being flooded with endgamers bumrushing through dungeons to get tome rewards. Now you'd be adding more of them doing it to get a mark kill.

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Originally Posted by AlexPayne

There's already issues for new players stemming from dungeons being flooded with endgamers bumrushing through dungeons to get tome rewards. Now you'd be adding more of them doing it to get a mark kill.

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Truthfully, though, would it be any worse than the current issues for new players stemming from lower-level areas being flooded with endgamers zerging through them to get Atma/Hunt rewards?

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Originally Posted by AlexPayne

There's already issues for new players stemming from dungeons being flooded with endgamers bumrushing through dungeons to get tome rewards. Now you'd be adding more of them doing it to get a mark kill.

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The world before roulette used to be worse, because instead of people who just want to "bumrush" through you just got no one at all and a much longer queue. I'll take "bumrushing" over endless queue, tyvm.

Um? so you spawn a rank A or rank S mob in a 4 man dungeon full of iLvl 48 players ... how exactly do you expect any 4 man group to handle those mobs? Worst idea ever. Besides you would just efficiently turn the seals into another form of myth or soldiery, that is obtained via the exact same ways.

Wow has had rare spawns in dungeons since 2004. They're completely optional to fight and drop some okay loot.

I wouldn't see a problem with a b type rare spawn in lvl 50 dungeons dropping 5 allied seals. It would give a reason to explore the dungeon a little better.

"Hi, would like to suggest that dungeons should spawn NM. Guaranteed a rank B but can spawn A-S. It would be a great incentive to start hitting dungeons again as you never know what NM can spawn at any given moment.

This would at least ease some pressure off of the mad rush of NM hunting in the open world."

Albatross7, I think you're talking about a different game called Everquest.

I support this idea. It would be a refreshing change.

What's the point of spawning an S rank in a dungeon? People would never be able to kill them at their current strength, and nerfing them to be killed by 4 people defeats the whole point of calling them S ranks.

I like this idea too, but S rank prolly not, B and A ranks sound good though. If a group cannot kill an A rank, they can just skip it since its optional from progressing the dungeon. There's alot of areas in dungeons that dont really have any signifigance aside from a side trip. Would add some interest to dungeon runs.

Good idea. Level 50 dungeons only, and B rank only. I'd start doing high level roulette again just for that chance. Hell, you could make it that they only have a chance of spawning when doing roulette. Could mean a lot less drop outs upon opening scene, too. Wouldn't want it to spawn in the dungeon you had dropped from, so you'd risk that you missed one.

It would have to give the normal rewards, too.

But even if not JUST roulette, though roulette should have a higher chance if spawn rate.

OR if you do a roulette without a full premade party (to help out those in need of course, who are que'ing up), you get a 50% chance of spawn versus a 10% doing a dungeon out of a roulette.

Either way, the idea is good and I also support it.

I wouldn't want to see the same hunt marks.

That said, I am fully in favour of rare enemies/bosses spawning as optional encounters in dungeons. Even though the cynic in me already forsees people abandoning duties halfway through when they realise their target didn't spawn.

I don't look forward to half the team abandoning midway because the hunt didn't spawn, so no.

I like the idea of randon spawns in dungeons, they could be B ranks for the 4 man dungeons, why not? As people have pointed out S/A ranks would be too much, but B ranks would be great. It's still kind of a hunt, just have it spawn in a random location in the dungeon :)

Jul 15 patch notes:

Rank B maximum HP has been raised from solo to light party level, Rank A maximum HP has been raised from light party to full party level.
Although the Rank S maximum HP level was already intended for multiple parties, we have further raised the necessary number to require even more parties.

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B ranks - all 4 man dungeons without ilvl restriction (60% spawn rate)
A ranks - all 8 man dungeons and 4 man dungeons with ilvl restriction (20% spawn rate)
S ranks - crystal tower/ circus tower (5% spawn rate)

Also, dungeon NMs only spawn like 1 or 2 rooms before final boss.

Can't see why B ranks can't be in low level dungeons, in the fields, B rank NMs are basically training dummies that tickle you back. Field A rank NMs only manage to kill a few people because everybody is going full rambo for maximum contribution, in an organised party it should be totally doable. Field S rank NMs mostly rely on out-of-game mechanics (attacking your server connection, attacking your graphics card, etc.) to kill people, they are as technically challenging as A ranks.

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Originally Posted by Poringing

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I like this, though still no on S rank. Reason: as it is, it only spawns in 24-48 hours right now, correct? If they made it different for dungeons, or these full raids, they would become even more unruly due to people just wanting to rip through every thing that much faster, that much less communication to get to the end to see if there's an S that spawned. It's already turning into Trollville (CT is; ST is already becoming more and more...) and I'd hate to see even more incentive for it.

I also like the idea of spawn chance being in the last area of the dungeon, so no drop outs early.

Someone also suggested possible different marks/names. They could put marks in that fit the theme of the dungeon, or the marks from the region are in the dungeons.

I think it should be poped only after the final boss, otherwise ppl will keep quitting dungeons for NM hunt.. ^^;