Hunts :D

Alright, let me begin by saying that I like the hunt system the way it is. Yes, it's frustrating to get to a monster and see the last ounce of health vanish as you receive no credit... but not everyone can win, and people can't be expected to wait forever.

That being said, allow me to throw in my $.02.

I believe when A or S rank mobs spawn, they should have a spawn immunity, of a variable time. While this won't always be relevant (if some how, a bunch of people miss a HUGE monster) generally speaking a A or S rank are found closely after their spawn time. Giving them immunity for 3-5 minutes might allow more people to get credit and alleviate some of the stress people are having.

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I haven't done many hunts, but from what I have done I quite like this idea... would definitely alleviate server tension :/

Best 2 cents in this forum ever...

This is about te best idea someone has come up with regarding the hunts. It's rather sad that we can't learn to wait a few moments.. as far as what I hear its a US server issue =/

Yeah, the other day I was looking through threads on the Japanese subforums, and there were 0 complains about hunts.
This might no longer be the case, but we had about 10 at the time I checked.

If we really want to go the immunity route, 2 to 3 mins will not be enough.

Lets calulate a little. You spotted a rank A pop, you gave out the msg, ppl starts coming in, that itself will take more then 2mins. Not forgetting location, example, slyphlands or burning wall.

Well if a few moments won't work make it more like 5 or longer.. heck they could even just have this wait on US servers for all I really care. They can remove it later after the rush of the Hunts being new wears off and people learn to play nice with others.

I really haven't had any issue with the hunts. Almost 95% of the time, everyone on Adamantoise seems to be more than helpful and ready to wait for as many people as they can before taking down a target. As of now, I love the hunt system. I 100% agree with OP though, as that is a FANTASTIC idea, and I believe would help a lot of the folks who seem to be struggling with the A and S ranks.

What they should have done is either given each player an item/key item to spawn a set amount of hunts per week (2 rank S, 4 A, 6 B and unlimited regulars, for example) or placed a cap on the amount of allied seals you can get. That or completely remove anything that has to do with i110. You can grind the seals needed for an oil in less than a day, but in Syrcus Tower your get 1 oil and you're locked out of gear for the week!? WTF? In which mind does that make any sense?

Or give every player NM radar for free and let them just do w/e they want. Having half the players competing against half the others who are at a disadvantage at finding NMs is kinda funny, though. I'm surprised more people around here don't call Yoshi out for clearly favoring app users. I guess they could also just release ranger...

FusionX posted an article over on Gamerescape about how he feels and what he's witnessed with regards the Hunt system so far.

I agree with a lot of what he has to say and while I was reading it, I began to wonder why the content had been implemented this way. I couldn't fathom it, but I did come up with an alternative solution, which I detailed in the comments of the article and will repeat here. Would appreciate any thoughts/criticisms!

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In my opinion, the hunts are a great concept, executed terribly. Why they chose to run them as essentially Unmarked FATEs, rather than a small modification of Treasure Hunts is beyond me.

I suggest:
- removing the current daily hunts for regular/FATE mobs. pointless.
- instead put two rank B and one rank A bill up each day. Put a rank S up for each week.
- while you have the bills in your possession, there is a chance that a little shiny silver ??? will appear somewhere in the appropriate zone for you and anyone in your party. Presumably that can't be totally random positioning, but perhaps randomised between 20-30 spawn points across the zone.
- this chance is spawn-window based in the same way it is currently; 1hr for Bs, 4hrs for As, 48hrs for Ss.
- once your party is gathered, like in Treasure Hunts, you can click the ??? to spawn the mob that pops locked to your party only. everyone in the party gets credit for the kill.
- balance so that Rank B and A can be beaten by a light party and S by a very well-geared full party.
- throw in a Bestiary log with the lore, like the sightseeing log, for good measure.

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If only all servers were at friendly as you say Adamantoise is.
I'm on a Legacy server, it's pretty rough, haha.

Though, I couldn't imagine swapping servers for something this minor.

What I think they need to do is:

-Raise daily/weekly rewards
--also add Soldiery/Myth to the daily/weekly rewards
-Make the weekly Hunt a random rank B mark for each player
-Lower the rewards for B/A/S marks found in the open world
-add Scailing to B/A/S marks HP based on the number of players in a certain proximity to them
--Make the contribution threshold for getting full credit lower
--Remove the ability to Provoke B/A/S marks
-Make Sands/Oils of time be on a weekly purchase lock out

There really is no reason to make The Hunt a forced pop like the Leve/Map system. The whole point is for it be an OMG experience when you run into one.

I don't even understand why the NM aren't immune to provoke like fate mobs are this is up for all kinds of griefing. Also that app is hugely unfair to the other players that don't want to use them or can't use them because they play on console instead of PC.

I will caveat this post with the fact that I'm not yet at the level to hunt, but have been in the vicinity and seen how stressed people get over them.

The issue I see is that the risk/reward is off. I would change them as follows:

1. Virtually always up somewhere in their area
2. Lockout - 1 day for B, 2 for A and 3 for S
3. Cap token rewards per week
4. Lock the mob to the party/person that pulled, maximum 8. It would turn green to everyone else. If the party wipes, the mob walks off and vanishes (as it will probably have spawned elsewhere)

By keeping mobs up virtually all the time it will mean that somewhere, somehow, players can find their mobs, and if they stumble across one which has just been pulled there's no incentive to grief as they couldn't hurt it even if the group wipes.

This would require group play and would still keep some super strong mobs just strolling in open world.

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Originally Posted by Cspr_Answrth

Yeah, the other day I was looking through threads on the Japanese subforums, and there were 0 complains about hunts.
This might no longer be the case, but we had about 10 at the time I checked.

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Check again.

Unlike our general forum full of duplicate hunt threads, they keep their complaints in 1 place.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Check again.

Unlike our general forum full of duplicate hunt threads, they keep their complaints in 1 place.

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I like their organization... Thanks for this! :)

This is like the only thread about hunts that I could find that's positive about it.
Was gonna make a new thread but I'll use yours instead to express my opinions!

So far I am reaaally enjoying hunts. I think it's really fun exploring eorzea, and see other people around as awell scouting and such.
Also so far I've had ablast in the groups i've been in and we're having so much fun.

The hunt is best during the morning cause then the more mature ppl seem to play. Last morning we actually planned in what order to kill all the monsters (if we found multiple monsters) through /shout. Ls wasn't relly needed cause everyone shared

And then as more ppl get online there will be more early pullers, and for some reason ppl don't let them die, instead they start attacking to soo afraid this ilvl 85 bard is gonna get the rank A monster all by himself.
And during the evening hunting is nearly impossible.

if you managed to get one A out of 3 you should consider yourself lucky.

Then later at the start of the night the immature ppl have to sleep cause they are probably just 12 or so and then it's nice doing hunts again!

I think the good things about hunts outwheighs the bad things, so I really like it. I also like how much myth we get. it was getting rather tiresome to do the same dungeons all the time for myth, so now I can get all my myth I need through hunts and I love it.

All the S ranks and A ranks can drop Logs which gives sands and that is nice too cause that makes you excited over every A and S monster (I actually got 3 logs yesterday)

Another downside wich I really dislike is that my server has some people that teleports around the map to find monsters, and when someone finds a monster they tp to that location instantly
Apparantly it's not against the ToS to use programs to teleport around where ever you want (else they would've been banned a long time ago right?)
And the persons who DO tp around all the time are also one of those that always pull 2-3 min early wasting half the servers populations time when they try to get to the monster.


tl;dr
There are some issues with hunts, but overall I really love it and I don't want them to change anything about it


Edit: I want to ask a question too
Whydo you want them to make a hunt lockout for seals? We have millions of lockouts that are forcing us to play in a specific way instead of going our own way (Like coil 2 and St where you can only get one loot per week

Does anyone really enjoy being locked out from content?
I've got 7 or 8 sands so far and this is the first time I feel like I can progress in my own pace. I mean like soldiery, when they first released it, everyone who capped were at the same page, whether they played more than others or not, cause they couldn't get more soldiery due to the cap

Immunity timer will not work.
Players then just keep the location a secret untill timer passed, only way to avoid is automated message for the players in area when the immunity timer starts!

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Edit: I want to ask a question too
Whydo you want them to make a hunt lockout for seals? We have millions of lockouts that are forcing us to play in a specific way instead of going our own way (Like coil 2 and St where you can only get one loot per week

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I suspect it's because you can only get one loot per week on SCOB and ST that players want a lockout. It shouldn't be easier to get the same gear from content without a lockout than it is from content with. Based on my experience from other MMOs, the raid gear should either be better than can be obtained from hunts (and not just in terms of min-max, but actually better) or the hunts should be brought up to the same difficulty level as raids or the hunts should have a lockout and the raids not (the price you pay for doing the easier content is that you can't gear up as quickly as if you did the harder content).

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Originally Posted by Kydi

I suspect it's because you can only get one loot per week on SCOB and ST that players want a lockout. It shouldn't be easier to get the same gear from content without a lockout than it is from content with. Based on my experience from other MMOs, the raid gear should either be better than can be obtained from hunts (and not just in terms of min-max, but actually better) or the hunts should be brought up to the same difficulty level as raids or the hunts should have a lockout and the raids not (the price you pay for doing the easier content is that you can't gear up as quickly as if you did the harder content).

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The new patch as I understand it is a catch up patch for those who hasn't finished their novus, or those that don't raid.
All of the ilvl 110 gear the hunter are gonna get won't be good anymore when they add next patch.
Sure it's a weird way to me, but I am just happy that there is something without a lockout we can do. Since this game has too many of them (6 reputation quests a day, 1 map per 18 hours, new allowances for leve every 12 hours, soldiery only 450 a week, CT loot lockout, Coil Lockout)
Makes a player so limited and forced to play certain ways

Coil 2 still drop High allagan and that is the only way to get it, also it's the only way to get the best weapon, so they still give a little more than what hunts give

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

The new patch as I understand it is a catch up patch for those who hasn't finished their novus, or those that don't raid.
All of the ilvl 110 gear the hunter are gonna get won't be good anymore when they add next patch.
Sure it's a weird way to me, but I am just happy that there is something without a lockout we can do. Since this game has too many of them (6 reputation quests a day, 1 map per 18 hours, new allowances for leve every 12 hours, soldiery only 450 a week, CT loot lockout, Coil Lockout)
Makes a player so limited and forced to play certain ways

Coil 2 still drop High allagan and that is the only way to get it, also it's the only way to get the best weapon, so they still give a little more than what hunts give

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If it is a catch up patch, then why ATMA drop rates still suck so bad?

I would go as far as saying immune debuff for 10 minutes.
Some of these things spawn and are decimated in seconds.

Granted, this is only a bandaid solution.
I'd prefer a more creative solution on part of the dev team and perhaps a limit on Allied Seals and a limit on how many Logs you can get per week.

suggestions:
- replace current mark bills with B/A hunts only. S will only appear as elite hunts.
- massively reduce the general rewards of hunts not present on the board.
- books will only be droppable by hunts listed on the board if you got the bill with you. S will have higher chance to drop a book.

(at the moment that board got very little to no sense, they don't even have the time to glue something to it since the monster will die before it comes to life…)

- highly increase the HP based on the amount of people that killed it the last time, it's an hunt, not a walk in the garden. you copy/pasted the FATE system and gave it a different name, don't leave out the good things.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

If it is a catch up patch, then why ATMA drop rates still suck so bad?

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This x1000

So you initially find the NM, then wait 3-10 mins for everyone to get there, and risk the chance of A) getting minimum credit B) Game crash cause too many people and get no credit????????
The forum is filled with a bunch of geniuses.

How about less people do hunt.. NM would last longer and server over load doesn't happen. Putting a cap on weekly seals is a good idea. Majority of the week NeckBeard would have already been capped so that everyone else can enjoy the hunts. Everyone wont be i110 from infinite Sands/Oils. Also, increase the amount given so less hunt mobs are formed.
Just make the content less relevant like other stuff. I forgot what Guildhest are.