The Great Hunt Debate

Other than needing an HP boost, I don't see a problem. What am I missing?

They seem like regular fates. No one comes to the forums to complain that they missed Odin, showed up late to Svara, or missed The Four Winds for their atma book.

No one comes to the forum to complain they missed Odin because the loot you get from odin sucks. If Odin died in 10 seconds and dropped sands/oils of time people would be on the forum complaining about it. There were tons of people complaining about Odin/Behemoth when they couldn't see them on PS3 so I'm not sure why you think people wouldn't complain about them, they're just old/irrelevant now.

Hunts are working as intended to me but they have to make the difficulty scale to the number of people in the zone or something along those lines. As it is right now, hunt monsters are dying in 5-20 seconds and unless you get claim or are in a large party you don't get credit for the kill. The reason people are up in arms about it is because they were told that it would be possible (it is but not with things dying that fast) to get credit regardless of claiming/being in the party.

Additionally, several players have started using a 3rd party tool called ffxiv app radar in order to track the monsters when they spawn. Regardless of what some people might think that is cheating and it is against the ToS. The tool is not available to people playing on consoles so therefore it is not fair to those people who are on consoles and are unable to get any credit for any hunt monsters.

While I personally don't have a problem with the way hunts work, I likely won't participate much until the difficulty of monsters becomes something that scales based on the number of people doing it because it's simply a waste of my time if I don't get any credit for my participation.

What they really need is dynamic scaling to make them as difficult as they're supposed to be. Something I'm not sure the game engine can handle on the fly.

My only complaint is that it people who generally play solo are simply out of luck. You can try shouting for a linkshell but you're likely gonna be ignored. Nobody seems to wanna share info because people want to keep the spoils to themselves. In my opinion, B rank should have been left weak but put on a much faster spawn timer. Give the solo people a shot. Let the large, organized groups focus on the A's or S's. As it stands, the larger groups are going after them all.

They could take lessons from GW2, really.
http://youtu.be/XfMZMVzHoRc
Event (Or FATE if you'd like) bosses scale really well there.
The more players in the area, the harder they hit and the more HP they get. No, GW2 isn't perfect, either. It has a lot of issues (Probably more than FFXIV).

they could easyly do something like: 1/("number of Players involved" +1)=damage the Monster receives.

with that the Monsters would scale automatically to the numbers of Players and having more Players would be a plus: example
1 Player =50%dmg
2 Players = 33% for everyone (66% all togehter if they have the smae Standard dps)
3Players = 25% per PLayer (accumulates to 75%)
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100 Players = ca. 0,99% per Player (ca 99% dmg accumulated)

With that the Monsters would scale and the difference between 1, 10 or 100 Players wouldn't be so big.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

In my opinion, B rank should have been left weak but put on a much faster spawn timer.

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I don't think that a faster spawn timer would solve anything, people would just zerg the monster more often. The only way to solve the issue would be to have difficulty scale dynamically based on zone population or something like that, otherwise the monsters will still die in a heartbeat and solo players will continue to get no credit for their participation. Aside from that the only thing they could do is maybe lower the threshold of what counts towards participation which I personally don't want to see them do.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

Other than needing an HP boost, I don't see a problem. What am I missing?

They seem like regular fates. No one comes to the forums to complain that they missed Odin, showed up late to Svara, or missed The Four Winds for their atma book.

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You also never see people screaming in /sh at players for starting before they showed up either? Wonder why that is....

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

My only complaint is that it people who generally play solo are simply out of luck. You can try shouting for a linkshell but you're likely gonna be ignored. Nobody seems to wanna share info because people want to keep the spoils to themselves. In my opinion, B rank should have been left weak but put on a much faster spawn timer. Give the solo people a shot. Let the large, organized groups focus on the A's or S's. As it stands, the larger groups are going after them all.

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Better idea: two b ranks per area, on separate timers.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

My only complaint is that it people who generally play solo are simply out of luck.

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I agree, just make everyone get full credit regardless. People might scoff at this idea but there's really no problem with it. People are not doing a lot in regards to these mobs even WITH the increased health. Basically normalizing "contribution" would mean is that less people are spamming flash and Medica.

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Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins

they could easyly do something like: 1/("number of Players involved" +1)=damage the Monster receives

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That's similar to an idea I had. Since we know what size party is recommended for a mark, you could apply a stacking buff on the monster that decreases incoming damage but also decreases the amount oh damage needed for earn contribution. For B-Rank, every 5th person engaged to the monster is -5% incoming damage, but lower the amount needed for contribution by a little to compensate (calculated by when you arrived, so the starting party keeps it's initial contribution at the normal rate and then everyone accumulates at the lower rate from then on). The stack grows as more show up, so the monster dies slower but people arriving at the end still get a chance to get something. This also makes zerging much less practical while making the mark actually seem like a challenge.

The only thing I get pissed about is the LS folks spam resetting b rank mobs until their fifty friends get there and liquefy the mob. But, I guess I was the asshole for shouting pos and randomly attacking the solo intended mark. Shame on me. DBAA, thanks all.

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Originally Posted by Worm

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I agree with this to an extent - the mechanics of hunts require party or full party for hunt contribution points. Someone solo shouldn't get full outside of daily and possibly B rank. They are party hunts. You can bypass the mechanics to an extent if you and 1/4 others party with your chocos out (making light/full parties) and get full credit.

As it is, if five full parties showed up, and each person in the party hit the mark ONE TIME each and only once, everyone in each party will get full credit. I tried it with a party I was in yesterday on an A rank. We all only got one hit in each and we all got full credit.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

Other than needing an HP boost, I don't see a problem. What am I missing?

They seem like regular fates. No one comes to the forums to complain that they missed Odin, showed up late to Svara, or missed The Four Winds for their atma book.

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My problem is the edge people who cheat and violate ToS have through FFXIV App and SE being unwilling to punish offenders or level the playing field by making all marks appear on everyone's mini-map.