Your Idea's to tweek the game in the new battle system.

Two things to get out of the way before we begin. Please don't post if your going
to QQ about being nerfed in anyway. It's called balancing and the game needed it.
Also please don't QQ about auto attack. I loved the idea of the action based combat
but let's face it. it just was not going to work in this engine and net code.

I would like to start with tweeking the lvl cap for EXP. (not going to use the SP term
because it's going away anyway). As we all know the LVL cap for EXP is 10 lvl's higher
then your current lvl. I would love to see the cap get raised to 16 for a light party and
24 for a full party. with the max exp for per kill for solo - 3 player party around 400 exp.
4-7 players around 600 and full party 800 exp.

I believe a full party fight on a mob 24 lvls above you should last 1-3 minutes be somewhat
challenging. Even if your killing at a rate of every 3 minutes that would be 20 mobs and hour
for 16,000 exp. Solo fights @ 10 lvl's above should be lasting 30sec- 1.5 minutes should net
about 40 mobs and 16,000 exp and hour. I know you may be like they are the same that's not
right. But remember, this is base EXP no light party / full party Modifier and no exp chain.

all that should stand in line for SE's position of being casual friendly which honestly they
are right in having. I have more idea's on Behest and Leve's but going to post this now to
get the ball rolling. Do you have anything to add?

The EXP/SP cap being mob levels 10 above player rank is very strange, considering every class can solo a mob 10 ranks higher. When you have a party grinding these 'optimum' mobs, it's 3-5 second fights, 90-130 sp, and respawn takes ages.
The mobs are too easy. I'm all in support of raising the cap to providing some kind of [excitement].

I think right now the 'small' tweeks I'd like (to clarify, I don't think these are small jobs, just small compared to the MASSIVE amount of work that needs to be/is being done) would all revolve around the keyboard controls and decluttering the menu system.

There are so many confirmation boxes and things, it makes me totally uninterested in crafting, I only did it through leves following the introduction of that option to repeat a recipe (although you can't do it outside of leves last time I checked? Why??).

In addition to that, some options to change the style of menus would be nice, like getting away from that nasty blue boxing and having an option to make them transparent at least to some degree.

i dunno what happend to self buff enmity generation, but after spamming various skills during a fight i noticed that they don't produce any hate at all anymore, which they actually should.
also they gotta find a better balance between hate producing skills.
Provoke, Taunt, War Drum, Warmonger and what not are skills that have long cool downs, and as that should produce alot more hate then magic that can used multiple times at the cost of a very low cool down timer.

Tanks are fine if they can deal a portion of damage on the enemy throughout a long battle, but i noticed yesterday that during NM fights like the buffalo, if you don't bring a second tank or multiple mages to share hate the tank has a hard time holding the hate.
he get's healed consequently multiple times during the fight, but can only use hate producing skills every 30-60 seconds (some even have longer cooldowns) and tend to lose the hate rather quickly.
throwing in buff skills like Rampart/Sentinel/Aegis Boon did nothing at all, and so we had to watch our mage die, trying to heal himself, producing even more hate, making it even further impossible for the tank to get it back.

and as far as i know, players taking hits from the enemies doesn't remove their hate aswell, which it actually should.
a tank taking less dmg should hold hate better then a tank taking alot of dmg.

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

The EXP/SP cap being mob levels 10 above player rank is very strange, considering every class can solo a mob 10 ranks higher. When you have a party grinding these 'optimum' mobs, it's 3-5 second fights, 90-130 sp, and respawn takes ages.
The mobs are too easy. I'm all in support of raising the cap to providing some kind of [excitement].

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This was my thinking also. It will make the grind more interesting and with the current MP usage challenging. I do believe they went a
little over board on the mp cost. It's not as bad as it's been made out to be. Just last night me and my wife started to open world grind
on low lvl jobs. Granted it was on rank 10 jobs. The high exp lvls on lower lvl jobs is still in effect after the patch. which is a nice thing.
we did lvls 10-16 in just under 2 hours. Getting a max of 670 exp I believe. ( anybody reading on, I'm calling SP, EXP ). we would have to
MP recharge about every 4-6 mobs, depending on the level of mobs we were fighting.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

I think right now the 'small' tweeks I'd like (to clarify, I don't think these are small jobs, just small compared to the MASSIVE amount of work that needs to be/is being done) would all revolve around the keyboard controls and decluttering the menu system.

There are so many confirmation boxes and things, it makes me totally uninterested in crafting, I only did it through leves following the introduction of that option to repeat a recipe (although you can't do it outside of leves last time I checked? Why??).

In addition to that, some options to change the style of menus would be nice, like getting away from that nasty blue boxing and having an option to make them transparent at least to some degree.

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Totallly agree. and you would think the menu color would be tied to chat box color. +1 like to your post

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Totallly agree. and you would think the menu color would be tied to chat box color. +1 like to your post

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Heh, well thanks for that, but I did realise after this is specifically about the battle system so apologies for derailing a bit :s

I get around 300 SP in a party for mobs. Grind off better mobs.

And a cap of 24 is a bit ridiculous, we don't really need R10's zerg rushing Coerthas >_>

EDIT: Actually that would be pretty cool looking...but not practical >.>

Easy mobs to kill aren't good SP. Mobs that are nearish your rank and hard to solo are good SP. That's how it should be.

As far as what I think need tweaking, MP costs could be lowered a little bit while casting times on spells could be lowered. Delay on weapons should be a bit lower as well with reduced damage/TP generation, just to make combat feel more active (because waiting 3 seconds is not active).

level cap would be fine +/- 10. I think no more is really needed.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

I believe a full party fight on a mob 24 lvls above you should last 1-3 minutes be somewhat
challenging.

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I believe fighting mobs 24 levels above you should result in a lot of dead adventurers.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

i dunno what happend to self buff enmity generation, but after spamming various skills during a fight i noticed that they don't produce any hate at all anymore, which they actually should.
also they gotta find a better balance between hate producing skills.
Provoke, Taunt, War Drum, Warmonger and what not are skills that have long cool downs, and as that should produce alot more hate then magic that can used multiple times at the cost of a very low cool down timer.

Tanks are fine if they can deal a portion of damage on the enemy throughout a long battle, but i noticed yesterday that during NM fights like the buffalo, if you don't bring a second tank or multiple mages to share hate the tank has a hard time holding the hate.
he get's healed consequently multiple times during the fight, but can only use hate producing skills every 30-60 seconds (some even have longer cooldowns) and tend to lose the hate rather quickly.
throwing in buff skills like Rampart/Sentinel/Aegis Boon did nothing at all, and so we had to watch our mage die, trying to heal himself, producing even more hate, making it even further impossible for the tank to get it back.

and as far as i know, players taking hits from the enemies doesn't remove their hate aswell, which it actually should.
a tank taking less dmg should hold hate better then a tank taking alot of dmg.

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I Agree/ Disagree. Yes the enmity code needs tweeks. A lot of what you said is not entirely accurate .
Emnity skills are indeed pulling hate, And you do indeed lose Enmity for taking dmg. It's just a lot harder to
see in a Party then it is to duo/ light party set-up. Cure is holding a lot of weight right now. Losing the enmity
keeping part of Sentinel did suck. I did see a change in the Enmity duoing Gla/Con with my wife. she would take
hate bigtime after the patch and I had to adjust.

Pre- patch I rolled Gla with Cure II Sac II. Lot's of defenisve skills. After patch, Rolling Gla with teir one cures and more Offensive Actions.
Playing a lot closer to PLD style now. with self cures and vokes for hate maintenance. The old Zerg style of play doesn't work anymore.
and I don't think single tanking Buffalo is a good idea. LNC has a Hate transfer action and should be using it. Other jobs have hate reduction
and should be using those.

It's my feeling tanking will be fine after PLD comes out and Mrd and Gla are just make shift tanks for the time being.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

I get around 300 SP in a party for mobs. Grind off better mobs.

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I never complained about SP I'm getting. your argument is invalid.

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And a cap of 24 is a bit ridiculous, we don't really need R10's zerg rushing Coerthas >_>

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Nowhere is the story line has going past Camp glory been needed. R10's being there is not a problem. just re-balance mobs
in dragonhead and beyond to keep them out. How is 24 ranks ridiculous? the lvl cap is going to move some day. that give parties
EXPable mobs all the way up to rank 75.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

EDIT: Actually that would be pretty cool looking...but not practical >.>

Easy mobs to kill aren't good SP. Mobs that are nearish your rank and hard to solo are good SP. That's how it should be.

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Mobs that are 10 ranks above you are not all that hard. I'm a rank 41 Gla and can still solo rank 56 mobs. that's outside ten ranks
it's harder for me to do and falls in line with my target for a light party.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

As far as what I think need tweaking, MP costs could be lowered a little bit while casting times on spells could be lowered. Delay on weapons should be a bit lower as well with reduced damage/TP generation, just to make combat feel more active (because waiting 3 seconds is not active).

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Agree on MP Disagree on rest. My idea does the same thing and doesn't piss the player base off even more then they are.

Well this is a good point to move on to Behest and Battle Leves

I was thinking Behest should be taken off a timer and moved from the camps and be put at every node.
make the warden not follow you around and give a return node at the end to go back to the node.
go back to the 30 minute duration with a set SP bonus at the end dependent on the level of the node.
Basically making it a mini-dungon instance in on world. There will probably need to be a cap on how many parties
can go at one time because of map limitations. but with 60 some nodes is that really a problem that somebody would
have to wait till a party finished and give like a 5 minute cool down between runs so yours could start. too many people at
node go to another node.

Gulidleves they should do the opposite.

Move them to Camps only. The system is in place to do some really good things.
They could add leves that are solo only but also add leves for up to light and full parties.
adjust rewards and SP what have you, and that adds that more content to the game.