S ranks worse than Odin was.... Did they learn nothing?

I mean really, they already fixed the problem in fates but didn't think ahead for hunts that are worth so much more? Its worse on ps3, but pc is still bad.. Died to an iron giant because you can only load so many people at a time.. It is so very ridiculous. Can we please get a fix the same way that odin and behemoth now work?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Altonfenri

I mean really, they already fixed the problem in fates but didn't think ahead for hunts that are worth so much more? Its worse on ps3, but pc is still bad.. Died to an iron giant because you can only load so many people at a time.. It is so very ridiculous. Can we please get a fix the same way that odin and behemoth now work?

---

It appears no one on the dev team leveled up marauder, because none of them seem to have foresight.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

It appears no one on the dev team leveled up marauder, because none of them seem to have http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...sight_Icon.png.

---

seems to me they made this whole thing in a ... http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...Flash_Icon.png

Just did 2 S rank hunts and I couldnt see the mark or target any party members to heal them and didnt get anything for it. Its a complete joke, pre-alpha quality implementation. SE need to fix this fast they're pissing off alot of people right now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kitano123

Just did 2 S rank hunts and I couldnt see the mark or target any party members to heal them and didnt get anything for it. Its a complete joke, pre-alpha quality implementation. SE need to fix this fast they're pissing off alot of people right now.

---

Fix coming no later than patch 3.2, please look forward to it.

To be fair, Yoshida said that the hunts weren't even planned. I don't mean not planned for 2.3, I mean not planned at all. They decided to design them and implement them some time between the finalization for 2.2 and the introduction for 2.3 because of how many people were asking for open world NMs. If the rewards weren't to upgrade gear to the current highest ilvl then it wouldn't have been a problem.

The reason NMs worked in FFXI is because they dropped specific items, not a currency every job used for end-game gear. That is the biggest oversight they made with the system.

As a former FFXI long term player, people act as all the things that they are adding now we there from the start. FFXI start out just like this and build on to become one of the more involved story driven MMOs on the market. I played this from 1.0 and as of today I'm very impressed with development of the game. NM farming was almost this bad back when they first introduced it into the game. The only thing that makes it WAY worse the FFXI is the ability to use the net to farm it. It has been less then a week since patch and almost everyone is QQ about a mob they didn't get credit for. I remember camping for O kote my first, second and third time. First time was nothing but gil farmers other two times it was just campers that lined up around the castle for the drop. I had claim on them a few times but never a drop. SE has made it a little easier to get seals for the claim if you do damage but I do agree they need to increase the level of the mob so it doesn't die in secs.

More like 10-15 mins. Those where the real nms. But at the same time the forum poster would then say they do not have time to camp and kill a mob like the good old FF players did......

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ryans

The reason NMs worked in FFXI is because they dropped specific items, not a currency every job used for end-game gear. That is the biggest oversight they made with the system.

---

High level NMs never worked out, because they were too overcamped and had too bad drop rates. The NMs that did work out well, where those who dropped low level stuff so you didn't need them at endgame but if you felt like leveling a new job you could get them to speed up the process slightly. Leaping Lizzy, Dune Empereror or whatever it was called etc.

Sure, it barely worked with limited drops like Yinyang robe, but that one was still overcamped by everyone with 75 SMN or intending to level SMN for 6+ months after release. I was maining SMN and played 1 year before I got the robe due to the high camp rate.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Malamasala

High level NMs never worked out, because they were too overcamped and had too bad drop rates. The NMs that did work out well, where those who dropped low level stuff so you didn't need them at endgame but if you felt like leveling a new job you could get them to speed up the process slightly. Leaping Lizzy, Valkurm Empereror or whatever it was called etc.

---

This, for the most past. NM's were designed as something to run into, in a game that was intentionally designed to take a lot of time to level. The reason the NMs' value skyrocketed is because people wanted to grind exp as fast as possible, and certain pieces of gear dropped by NMs offered more stats than anything else that player would see for a long time and in turn facilitated the rat race the players turned leveling into. Consider that most of the gear in FFXI had either useless elemental resistances or no stats at all before the 30's.

This said: no, NMs didn't work in FFXI. Abyssea boss mobs worked but that was due to them circumventing the idea behind NMs in the first place.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kitano123

Just did 2 S rank hunts and I couldnt see the mark or target any party members to heal them and didnt get anything for it. Its a complete joke, pre-alpha quality implementation. SE need to fix this fast they're pissing off alot of people right now.

---

Tip for healers having this type of problem - just be in the general area and spam AOE heals (succor, medica, medica II, etc.) and do other AOE stuff like Miasma II, Sacred Soil, Holy, etc. (basically stuff you don't have to target anything to use)

I do hunts as PLD and if i have issue, it's flash-spam time lol.

Not to mention they die in seconds.

Anyone else think a system like XI's BCNM and KSNM would be better? Wouldn't have to worry about the lag from half of your server forming at a mob that's about to die in literally a second, and a server won't seem segregated. My FC is a very large and active one, and a lot of people on the serve accuse us of hogging NM's when we don't. We just have quite a few parties due to our number of members. As such, if an FC mate joins another hunt party composed of randoms, they've been kicked simply from being from our FC. Happened quite a bit, happened to me personally.

This kind of conduct never existed before, and I think the BCNM/KSNM system would work better. Farm your seals, gather the right number, assemble your group, and enter the boss instance. No need to hate on anyone, no need for segregation and discrimination. Veritable timesink, just a matter of how to implement farming the 'seals'

With the ridiculous amount of threads going about, requests, venting, etc. There's no doubt they'll respond at some point. The question is in what way will they. We'll either be told to sod off or they'll do something, and I am beginning to wonder if they will be married to the system they have already put out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dashuto

With the ridiculous amount of threads going about, requests, venting, etc. There's no doubt they'll respond at some point. The question is in what way will they. We'll either be told to sod off or they'll do something, and I am beginning to wonder if they will be married to the system they have already put out.

---

I wouldn't count on that. People complained vehemently about the atma drop rate too, but that's "working as intended". It may be that they feel that no changes need to be made to the hunt system either, and just allow the insanity to continue unabated.

Though, the lesser rank hunts are simply a joke. Naul for one dies literally before a mage can cast a single spell (Not even joking there, he literally died in about 2.4 seconds), so there's that. They seem to have pitiful HP for 'elite marks' and die so fast. It's no wonder people crowd around just for the tiniest chance at getting a hit in.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lemuria

I wouldn't count on that. People complained vehemently about the atma drop rate too, but that's "working as intended". It may be that they feel that no changes need to be made to the hunt system either, and just allow the insanity to continue unabated.

Though, the lesser rank hunts are simply a joke. Naul for one dies literally before a mage can cast a single spell (Not even joking there, he literally died in about 2.4 seconds), so there's that. They seem to have pitiful HP for 'elite marks' and die so fast. It's no wonder people crowd around just for the tiniest chance at getting a hit in.

---

Well there wasn't anything WRONG with the atma drop rate. People didn't LIKE it, but it wasn't fundamentally broken the way hunts are. There wasn't a crippling engine limitation that prevented you from getting atmas, and there weren't roving hoards of hackers making sure nobody can get to FATEs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Immut

Well there wasn't anything WRONG with the atma drop rate. People didn't LIKE it, but it wasn't fundamentally broken the way hunts are. There wasn't a crippling engine limitation that prevented you from getting atmas, and there weren't roving hoards of hackers making sure nobody can get to FATEs.

---

Well said.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Immut

Well there wasn't anything WRONG with the atma drop rate. People didn't LIKE it, but it wasn't fundamentally broken the way hunts are. There wasn't a crippling engine limitation that prevented you from getting atmas, and there weren't roving hoards of hackers making sure nobody can get to FATEs.

---

Exactly! There's a difference from "broken/bad" versus "I don't like so it must be the devs fault!"

I can live with broken content as long as it doesn't affect my progression too much. The problem is that the rewards for the hunts are too high. People with 3party software and good hardware can upgrade a whole set within a week.
What option do people have who can't do hunts? Either get a static and do coil 2 with a weekly lockout or grind ST again with a weekly lockout. Both is hard, annoying and takes several months.
They are giving overpowered rewards to a small part of community while locking out the rest completely.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BillyBones

I can live with broken content as long as it doesn't affect my progression too much. The problem is that the rewards for the hunts are too high. People with 3party software and good hardware can upgrade a whole set within a week.
What option do people have who can't do hunts? Either get a static and do coil 2 with a weekly lockout or grind ST again with a weekly lockout. Both is hard, annoying and takes several months.
They are giving overpowered rewards to a small part of community while locking out the rest completely.

---

Yes, it was content aimed mostly at casuals is the impression I get, but it has been implemented in a way that the hardcore benefit from it the most. You are right that it at least wont stop progression, but for many who were dreaming of sands outside of Coil or the weekly ST runs, its been completely snookered.