Force disconnection

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07-13-2014, 01:18 AM
Ephier

Force disconnection

Not sure if a community rep will respond to this or not, but a suggestion I have is would it be possible to implement a force disconnect feature on the website, in order to disconnect your character by force? Personally my internet goes in and out sometimes and waiting 5~10 minutes each time becomes irksome, this is no fault of SE's though, but 3102 gets annoying real quick.
07-13-2014, 01:53 AM
Darki

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Not sure if a community rep will respond to this or not, but a suggestion I have is would it be possible to implement a force disconnect feature on the website, in order to disconnect your character by force? Personally my internet goes in and out sometimes and waiting 5~10 minutes each time becomes irksome, this is no fault of SE's though, but 3102 gets annoying real quick.

You don't want that trust me. Adding the ability to force disconnect an account through the internet would not only backfire on you but open up a slew of security problems for everyone else with an account. Man made or otherwise.
07-13-2014, 04:14 AM
ForteXX

They could add it as part of the OTP app, so itd be locked to only a single device thats directly connected to the account.
07-13-2014, 05:50 AM
Ephier

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Originally Posted by Darki

You don't want that trust me. Adding the ability to force disconnect an account through the internet would not only backfire on you but open up a slew of security problems for everyone else with an account. Man made or otherwise.

I do not see how it could backfire if you could only do it while you are logged on to the website, which also requires the OTP.
07-13-2014, 01:58 PM
LunarCain

i see no problem with force disconnection on other MMO i played.
07-13-2014, 02:19 PM
Darki

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Originally Posted by Ephier

I do not see how it could backfire if you could only do it while you are logged on to the website, which also requires the OTP.

Two reasons: Not everyone uses the OTP (which doesn't make an account 100% hack proof anyway) and a force disconnect feature can be reverse engineered to gain access to an account; it's a two way street.

Think of this analogy: It's better to have thin air to nowhere than a well fortified door that leads to something of value to you. I'm not tiring to shoot down your idea for fun, i'm merely pointing out how it is.
07-13-2014, 02:33 PM
Shioban

The server will disconnect you eventually, (can take up to 30 minutes).

If it persists your only option if to contact support, that's just the way the game currently functions (this was brought up during the Alpha/Beta, it would seem they thought it not worth the effort to add/change)
07-13-2014, 04:42 PM
Ephier

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Originally Posted by Darki

Two reasons: Not everyone uses the OTP (which doesn't make an account 100% hack proof anyway) and a force disconnect feature can be reverse engineered to gain access to an account; it's a two way street.

Think of this analogy: It's better to have thin air to nowhere than a well fortified door that leads to something of value to you. I'm not tiring to shoot down your idea for fun, i'm merely pointing out how it is.

Added security is added security. That's like saying I'm not going to install a lock on my door just because they will still be able to break in. If you are not using OTP, that is not a very wise decision. Also I have still yet to see if your reasoning how they could gain access to my account. If they already have your username and password (no OTP), they going to get on it eventually whether you actually on or not.
07-13-2014, 04:54 PM
Darki

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Added security is added security. That's like saying I'm not going to install a lock on my door just because they will still be able to break in. If you are not using OTP, that is not a very wise decision. Also I have still yet to see if your reasoning how they could gain access to my account. If they already have your username and password (no OTP), they going to get on it eventually whether you actually on or not.

It is obvious you didn't read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't put a lock on your door. I'm saying you shouldn't have a door to begin with. Do you see the point now?
07-13-2014, 10:46 PM
Ephier

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Originally Posted by Darki

It is obvious you didn't read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't put a lock on your door. I'm saying you shouldn't have a door to begin with. Do you see the point now?

Not really. You said that the force disconnection could be reverse engineered to gain access to an account. How so? They would already have to have access to your account to force disconnect you, so in that situation, you were already in trouble in the first place.
07-14-2014, 12:26 AM
ElHeggunte

Instead of adding a Force Disconnect feature (which could cause problems no matter how unlikely) they need to just change how disconnects are handled in the first place. SE needs to speed up how quickly the server drops you or since your character is already present on the server, allow you to immediately reconnect to it provided the connection is made from the same client and IP that initially logged it in.
07-14-2014, 04:32 AM
Darki

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Not really. You said that the force disconnection could be reverse engineered to gain access to an account. How so? They would already have to have access to your account to force disconnect you, so in that situation, you were already in trouble in the first place.

If you ever take up a career in coding you'll see the problem. Here is an example: Ever seen one of those OTPs keychains? Not the software version i'm talking about the physical one. On the back is a static serial number that governs what the next 30 second password will be. Get one and you gain the other. Hacking is the art and science of taking a tiny amount of information and using it to gain more information. The amount of control we already have over our account is already a risk because of how much it interacts with our account from the internet. Adding an ability to control an active login would make things easier to hack. I personally would like to keep it as hard as possible.
07-14-2014, 05:46 AM
Baneus

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Originally Posted by Darki

Two reasons: Not everyone uses the OTP (which doesn't make an account 100% hack proof anyway) and a force disconnect feature can be reverse engineered to gain access to an account; it's a two way street.

Think of this analogy: It's better to have thin air to nowhere than a well fortified door that leads to something of value to you. I'm not tiring to shoot down your idea for fun, i'm merely pointing out how it is.

If someones computer is compromised to the point where it is vulnerable to MiM attacks, then losing their SE account details should be way down on the list of things to be worried about ;)
07-14-2014, 10:03 AM
Ephier

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Originally Posted by Baneus

If someones computer is compromised to the point where it is vulnerable to MiM attacks, then losing their SE account details should be way down on the list of things to be worried about ;)

Which is the point I have been trying to make. If they are able to force DC you, then your account has already been compromised. Whether force DC is there or not, they have your account, and when they find you offline they taking your stuff.