Original difficulty!!!

Echo seems to be something interesting added but I would still prefer if there was extra play to continue on after if winning with echo turned off would give some type of bonus.
It would increase interest and replay in old content of the game. For the game its fine but for the skillful players I fine it takes away the original very difficult challenge and if I turn it off nothing is there to gain. Not much there to change, why is this missing? :confused: :mad:

The installed Echo buffs is mainly for people who wish to finish the content that they're stuck on so that they can advanced to the next content in the chain. The Echo is not really made for people who already played the old content to death and/or already got all the farming done. Besides, no one's really going back to the old content for loot when there's always better loot to be had in current and future content where the Echo buff isn't applied anyway.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

The installed Echo buffs is mainly for people who wish to finish the content that they're stuck on so that they can advanced to the next content in the chain.

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I agree, but I think it's mostly to make things easier for the new players to catch up and not have an eternal disadvantage.

The new content is made for a slow progress so people don't obtain and do everything before new content is ready, and the older content is easier so that new players can catch up.

Roulettes are also there to help new players to level quicker.

The relic quest used to take several weeks, upgrading to Zenith at least 2 weeks, etc. Now you can do the relic and upgrade to Zenith much quicker. Obtaining gear up to ilvl90 is quite quicker now.

I wouldn't mind having the option. Kinda like how we have Brutal Coil. No new gear, just a challenge for those seeking one.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I wouldn't mind having the option. Kinda like how we have Brutal Coil. No new gear, just a challenge for those seeking one.

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Yes, why not? And adding an ilvl sync to add a bit of spice. Titan HM with no echo and ilvl 65 sync, for example. The problem would be find people to play that, since there is a lot of other content to play.

I agree. I wish they had released a brutal coil for first turn, it would have been nice to jump back into some old content it with my static.

Why do you need something extra to do something that everybody else's already done?

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Why do you need something extra to do something that everybody else's already done?

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Everybody ? LOL, a majority of players never killed Twintania.

I meant everybody who already has beaten it at the original difficulty.

If I am not an all day player, I feel sometimes cheated because echo is applied before I get a chance to try, also what about new players that are more skillful they probably might be bored.
I have never seen a party finder non-echo party, there's no point. Why try so hard to win if I can just wait and get same drops from echo buff?

Can't you select the echo buff on your bar and turn it off still? You could do this in the fights your echo built each time you wipe before 2.3.

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Originally Posted by ShiroSteve

Can't you select the echo buff on your bar and turn it off still? You could do this in the fights your echo built each time you wipe before 2.3.

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This...

I guess nobody in this thread realizes you can turn off your Echo boost. lol