Mob Hunt fascism

Hello english speaking Lich community,

I'm here to "solve" a problem, which you seem to have with some people on this server, due to the "bad behaviour" of a few of us. It's related to your "rules" you set in your Linkshells for hunting mobs, which we never got requested to accept, nor accepted.


When you find a mob, always someone shouts out, when the pull will happen and some of our FC (5 people in total on around maybe 5-10 B mobs) pulled earlier, than your self-righteous "leader" shouted, the defamation started....

"F!ck you, son of a b!tch"
"I hope you'll die, m!therf!cker"
"Go f!ck yourself"

are just a few examples of the whispers, I received.

Next to these socially overskilled whispers, there were several shouts, defaming NaHa, what a bunch of f!ckers we are etc. etc. etc.

This is, what happened from noon to afternoon... In the evening things got even worse, when some of our FC members just came online after their day at work, got threatened to leave our FC or getting kicked out of their "let's raid a primal, sometimes together"-Linkshells (so no static raid group, just some raid interested people in it), set to blacklists and partly even get insults, too...

To clear the situation, I want to explain it to you all: A "B-Mob" is a mob... As a bug in Gridania, as a Morbol in Mor Dhona... It's simply a mob. Accessable for anyone to kill it... That's what we did yesterday. There are no and there never have been any rules, how to kill a bloody, tiny outdoor mob, that has a quite quick respawn ever. So if you need 5-10 minutes to make it to a positiion, that gets posted in your linkshell and the mob is dead, then it's your own problem. Be quicker, it's possible and it's not hard... Usually there's no longer way, than ~1 minute from any port stone to get there.

Furthermore we got blamed for pulling mobs we didn't pull at all (as mentioned above, we've probably pulled 5-10 mobs in total - next to all these you didn't even find with your linkshell and we've killed 'alone' inbetween) and got insulted and defamed again and again...

So with this post, I want to appeal to the rest of your social sanity, to stop insulting me or any other FC member of NaHa. It's okay, if you blacklist me or the other few involved in the "early pulls", just go for it, but other members of NaHa have nothing to do with that and there is no need to blacklist and / or insult anyone you've made good experiences with, by raiding Leviathan ex or T6 or anything together, whom you've added to your raiding linkshell etc.
If you need the names of the 5 people involved, gimme a whisper (as long as you're not on my blacklist, after all these insults 'n stuff) and I'll give you the names of the people involved in these "early pulls of a B mob", so you can blacklist them altogether.

To explain you, WHY we pull earlier, than your "most important shout guy" is simple: Usually, as it seems, you wait like 5-10 minutes until "everyone" has told "everyone" to come there, to TRY to hit a mob with one cast, in hope to get at least 1 or probably 5 seals from it, within a second. In the time you are waiting for the whole server to arrive their, finish their retainers, dungeons, pvp or whatever, we usually killed another B mob or 2. It's not time-efficient and, as everyone of you, we just want to get the seals and myth tomes quickly in the time we have to play this game (next to raiding, crafting and all the other stuff). Next to that, I have to mention, that we've not been the first and not the only ones, who pulled a mob too early, before your "LS-Fuhrer" announced the pull and this happened way more often than "our" 5-10 times of an early pull.

Next to that I want to mention something personally: I have NEVER been part of any of your hunting Linkshells and I don't intend to become part of your fascist LS anyways. I don't need to be part of a group that behaves like that. But I still don't run around and yell "Don't join LS XYZ, they're fascist and rude children".

I hope, when you realize that in the time you spend waiting, you could have killed 3 more B mobs or even one or another A mob, you'll get over it and start realizing, that insulting people for attacking a random outdoor mob is not the right way.

So well, that's my 2 cent to this whole story... Imo you just should kill B mobs in your hunting GROUP and announce A and S mobs to your Linkshells and you would've probably made the same amount of seals in half the time.

Happy hunting



Jiola Jezmen

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Originally Posted by Sephystos

Well, i was here yesterday, and i see what's happen;
Maybe, if you don't come when 30 guys say "wait people for start", for pull before, and this during all the day and for a lot of elite, and say "ahahah" on all chat, maybe all serv don't hate you xD
I'm not sure, but i think !

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We didn't laugh at anyone... we were waiting for our group to appear and pulled, yes... only on those tiny B mobs and we usually waited for around 1-2 minutes (on the mentioned 5-10 pulls WE did). It's also not a problem, that people now "hate me" for not waiting for the whole server to appear to a tiny B mob, but for threatening and insulting people, who haven't even been playing, when I pulled... This is just pathetic and infantile...

Hi there.

I understand what u mean by "instead of waiting u could have killed 3 more B mobs", really, I do, in fact, u're right about it. The thing is, we are on a MMORPG, where people are supposed to help each other (a lot may have forgotten this fact but there it is), that's why these LS were created, so that everyone could hunt and get something. Someone decided there would be a pull time, there's nothing fascist or whatever in this, it's just a way to warn people that it'll be pulled at this moment, u'll have the time to get here and that's cool, or u won't make it and go somewhere else look for another mob. This is a way to stop losing time dude. There's nothing more sad than running through the map to get to the boss and see it die one minute before the pull time announced, trust me, I've seen this happen a lot of time.

I understand that some people wanna hunt in a small group, without warning anyone, really, I do, and I have no problem with that. If we forced people to join LS and hunt together, that would be fascist, but that's not what we're asking ! When u see a lot of people waiting somewhere, and when someone announced a pull time, just wait ? One minutes, two minutes, we never ask for more ! Would it kill you to just wait one single minute ? I don't think so.

And as I understand your point of view, u have to understand our. When we run through the map to get to the mob, and get one seconde to late, to hear that a NaHa guy pulled AGAIN, of course we get angry at all the NaHa, we start thinking that no one in this FC wants to be fair. So, you complain, acting like a victim, but as Sephystos said, we warned you. We said a thousands times "please, wait for pull time, don't pull before", to see what ? People laughing and saying that they don't care... I have no problem with the whole NaHa FC, and I don't want to have any, but from now, I wont shout any location because I fear one of you guys will come and pull before the time we settled. And once more, we told you "be careful with early pulls, the whole server is going to hate you if u keep going on like this" and u did not care, cause u certainly thought it wouldn't be true... but hey, it is true and now, u regret. Well, I won't say it's too late, cause u can make it better, just stop pulling earlier when u see 50 people waiting and a pull time.

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Originally Posted by Sephystos

You was pathetic & infantile when you come stole the mob. I don't agreed threatenin & insulting, but i understand people who hate you.

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If "The Server" decided to do so, why noone asked anyone of my FC, nor my friendlist about this? Not "The Server" decided to do so, but the few people, who started a mob hunting LS, they set up rules for their LS and the way they play, yes... But since noone asked and it's still a random outdoor mob, I don't see the reason to insult anyone like that, just because 1 bloody seal and 3 myth tomes, what people usually get, when 100+ people hit a B mob...


There is NO excuse for insulting and threatening people on a GAME and there is NO excuse to behave like the people I mentioned in my first post here. I don't want to get dropped off any blacklist, nor I want these people to invite me to their LS or raid parties... I got my own raid party, I got my own friends on the server, if you don't want to be friends with me, I'm completely okay with that... But for god's sake, this insulting, threatening and defaming has to stop...

Bullying is no trivial offence!

B marks were ment to solo.. community or not.. the OP in in his right to kill B mobs alone, SE designed it like so. he does not owe anyone anything. and if he found the mob first no one is entitled to make him wait.. NO ONE!

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Originally Posted by Siane

And once more, we told you "be careful with early pulls, the whole server is going to hate you if u keep going on like this" and u did not care, cause u certainly thought it wouldn't be true... but hey, it is true and now, u regret.

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Still no reason for bullying, insulting and threatening people in an online game


Furthermore I don't regret it. The only thing I regret is, that people react like that on "stealing" (so the mobs are yours, didn't see it, thought they were untagged at the time I pulled... Didn't know, that SE gave them to YOU, not us) a few B-Mobs... We also got blamed and insulted for a lot of pulls of other people and we experienced MANY (around 30 times now) pulls, before your "pulling time", too. So the rules count for NaHa, but not for anyone else? really cool!
The Mobs are free to EVERYONE on this game and there will always be people, who pull earlier. Just get over it and stop bullying, threatening and insulting people, especially, when they got nothing to do with it...

In the future, we'll leave out the mobs, where the LS-people are gathered and the topic's done for us... GG Lich community...GG!

Never said I agreed with bullying, insulting and threatening. Just saying that they're being as stupid as u were.

And Yoohre, we're not talking about the mobs he found alone (or with his group), he does what he wants with these ones, we're talking about the ones a lot of people found together, being pulled one seconde before the time we settled, just to annoy everyone.

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Originally Posted by Siane

And Yoohre, we're not talking about the mobs he found alone (or with his group), he does what he wants with these ones, we're talking about the ones a lot of people found together, being pulled one seconde before the time we settled, just to annoy everyone.

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It wasn't "just to annoy everyone"... As mentioned above: Almost always anyone pulls before the announced time and so we often missed the 5 Seals and only received one, so we decided to pull first. And as mentioned above, too: We will no longer attend the hunts, where all the LS people are around, but find our own mobs. The only thing I want, is to stop the bullying, threatening, defamation and insults... There is no need for such a behaviour in an online game...

And I agree with you, no one should threaten you or your mate, this is a ridiculous behavior.

For the seals, I always get everything if we are 8, so I don't see the problem. The only moment I don't get all the seals is when someone pull earlier. If you just waited a bit, trust me, you'd have everything. Depends on the job u play I guess, but we all have a skill we can put immediatly on the mob, right ? And it's getting rare to see someone pull before the time we announced now, I guess people start to understand.^^ Of course there will always be some people who want to fuck your day but, just don't be one of these guys and I'm sure the stupid people who PM you to insult or threaten you will stop. They're being assholes, just be smarter !

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Originally Posted by Siane

They're being assholes, just be smarter !

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That's why I started this topic in here, instead of insulting anyone... Today I went through several zones and in almost every zone it was like "who pulled?" "F!CK YOU" etc. all the time. This behaviour just sucks and it seems, that there are WAY more people pulling mobs (and way more often than we did, as mentioned above, it's been 5-10 mobs - besides the one we found and killed on our own, without any LS-guy around) and still we get blamed for that shit... If you can't read a FC-tag, don't blame any FC for doing something...

But, as mentioned twice already: Our FC members won't attend any B-mob hunt, where the LS-people are around, anymore, to, hopefully at least decrease the bullying, threatening, insulting and defaming... We'll see, what'll happen...

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Originally Posted by Jiola

When you find a mob, always someone shouts out, when the pull will happen and some of our FC (5 people in total on around maybe 5-10 B mobs) pulled earlier, than your self-righteous "leader" shouted, the defamation started....

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We find a mob, announce it in our linkshell so that everyone gets a piece of it.
This info gets to you by your "informant" that is in our linkshell.
And then you pull something that you didnt even find.

We told you to stop.
We have nothing against you getting OUR information, getting rewards for OUR mob that WE found.

But if you grief then its your own fault.

Go ahead, pull your own mobs. We don´t care.
But don´t come to the cords that you STEAL from us AND then ruin it for 140+ people.

We gave you a chance, you still couldn´t wait 30 seconds for the pull.

And we do have people from your guild running with us, we have nothing against them as long as they dont ruin it for everyone.

We made the linkshell for one reason.

To provide ourselves and the server with a means of being able to team up and take down marks without unnecessary competing.

When you roll up to a mark at 6:15 and we all shout "pull the mob at 6:17", but you go ahead and pull it anyway it kind of ruins it for the 40 other people who are trying, just like you, to come and kill these mobs.

Sure, you're free to go out and pull them if you like, but you have to bear in mind that you and your team aren't the only people on the server, and so taking information that our ls provided to you and using it to steal kills foryourself is going to get you kicked out and it's going to put you in peoples bad books.


We aren't bullying, we aren't fascists, we're just trying to make things fair for everybody!

Why Have you never tryed to /tell the fuhrer who has been online since 3pm and try to clear things up? or see if he can do something about the hate you received.

Also, ive been told you were rude when people asked you to stop and not prepull. You brought it onto yourselves by being impatient, selfish and disresepctful.

We do not call times to feel like where the boss and rule the world. we do this so 140 people do not have to waste their time and teleport money.

The hate your innocent FC members receive is caused by the stubbornnes and selfishness of the other members. One more thing, there were infact a few of your FC members in the linkshell.

Now in this post, it sounds like you push all the blame to others and our LS, while its yourself and a number of your members being ignorant and stubborn multiple times. Now surely you dont deserve the amount of hate you are getting, but you did cause it yourself by your own actions.

We have a FC like yours on our servers. They get the same level of hatred towards them. Hmm... I wonder why people who do this get hated on any server.

People are becoming horrible with this.

The whole "but it's a community feature" is crap, and here is why :

B rank marks have so few HP they're downed under 10 seconds in solo

Save your crap speech for others. B marks are just not made for 50+ people to join. At best, one group can come, because of group perception (1 group = 1 person)

A marks are for roughly 3-4 groups at best.

S marks are for what you're doing in your LS.

Once you'll understand that, everything will become easier. You'll save us the "wait for the whole server" crap for every single mob and just do it for S marks and eventually A marks, and you'll stop the flame and harassment on everyone who pulled just because they thought that you're a bunch of overreacting kids.

I wonder how many of your kind would get a ban if I reported them all.... I'd say around 200-300

just saying, forcing other people to follow your rule, even if it's for the community greater good like you try to say. (and it's only your community you talk about, the one of your LS) it's not different than harrassement, i invite every people that get this sort of... reaction, especially for B monster, to report any people trying to command them!

just a reminder, only SE is in right to put rule, not the player or them group.

We are not commanding them, when we find a mob and call it out. we want to share it with our linkshell and the friends of those inside it. when one little fc happens to hear about the coords and then kills the mob without waiting for the rest, its just really pathethic. Also harrasment because it upsets alot of people, moreso then the other way around.

You should wait for people for any mob when a time to pull has been set, regardless of the rank. I am on ps3 so need to load the mob in..even when loads of people are there for a b rank I get the full reward ..when it is pulled on time ...as I have been able to load it on my screen. When it is pulled early and I am not ready that's when I don't get the reward so it is incredibly frustrating to have wasted my gil getting there. Frankly pulling early just cause you want the reward all for yourself is very rude and I think this Furher labelling is also very rude keeping in mind we are a European server.

Also before anyone tells me to get a ps4/pc..I have both so shush.

Well... we've been talking to several people last night and clearing things up, more or less... We went for a few hunts with others (some of us are in several hunting LS, too / again) and we didn't pull a single mob before the "announced time", but on _EVERY_ single mob, someone else did it... On a few pulls even we "earned the fame" for this, though we didn't do it at all...

So if you can't read the mob's first target quick enough, stop raging against us... We won't pull in advance anymore and we mostly hunt our own mobs now...

There are indeed a few of you back into the LS and ive seen you hunt with us, now give it some time and the shit your fc will die out overtime.

*edit* The shit your FC receives will die out over time

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