Hunts unplayable on PS3 in many cases

Yeah, so...I'm sure the dev team realized this would be an issue before even implementing the hunt, but PS3 players are at a gigantic disadvantage in hunts, just like with Behemoth and Odin previously.

The loading into zones already gives PC/PS4 players a gigantic advantage to reaching their hunt, and the HP drops far too fast upon pull for us to even hope to catch up when someone inevitably doesn't wait for others and pulls the monster. In addition, S rank hunts are just completely unplayable--upon reaching an S hunt BEFORE the monster was pulled to it being killed, none of the PS3 players I know in the group were able to see the monster.

This was annoying with Odin and Behemoth, but at least they dropped items mainly used for cosmetic features. In the case of the hunt, which rewards oils, sands and alexandrites large group of the player base is at both a severe and insurmountable disadvantage for some of the game's best gear.

The visibility issue isn't just a PS3 thing. With enough people, even high end PC players have to get lucky to see the S ranks, anyone telling you otherwise has got to be on a low population server. Over on Exodus we had Croakadile disappear for almost everyone as more people showed up.

Yes, unfortunately the game does not prioritize the enemies over players or other entities, so the marks will sometimes fade in and out.

But hey, at least you can still see those 10 Garuda-egi!

Buy a ps4.
I know that's the "troll" answer, but it's also the most obvious one.

I've had no lag or loading problems at all on ps4 so far with any content.

There's no point in complaining about others having an advantage if you're unwilling to spend the money.
That's like saying it's unfair that people who spend more money get to go on better holidays abroad.

I don't think you need to worry yet. I am sure most people are reporting less then 1 minute kills. If you don't find it first don't worry.

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Originally Posted by Ephany

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Except that this issue happens even on top of the line PCs. It's not lag, it's the game choosing not to render characters either because it's not receiving all the data before receiving more, or because it's trying to keep your framerate up - the issue is that it doesn't do so in an intelligent way that keeps things playable.

Ehhh, as a PS3 player I dont mind this direction because I dont want them to hold back with the game.

Going PS4/PC soon and having to upgrade to enjoy the game isnt that demanding knowing how outdated PS3 hardware is these days, its holding the game back from its full potential.

They've been trying to entice people off PS3 for ages now it might play flawless up until the end storyline but beyond that it's pointless.

It's a 7 years old piece of tech. At some point you have to accept that is old and underpowered.

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Originally Posted by Elven

They've been trying to entice people off PS3 for ages now it might play flawless up until the end storyline but beyond that it's pointless.

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Uh, except it's not? I've cleared the entire first coil and every extreme primal except Ramuh EX on PS3 multiple times. Lag has NEVER been a reason why I couldn't progress in the game.

Until right now with these S hunts. Odin and Behemoth are like, the only other troublesome thing for me on PS3, but both of those bosses have enough HP that they can load before being zerged down

The loading time between areas is also annoying but that could also be fixed largely by giving the hunt enemies more HP.

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Originally Posted by Phantasmid

Except that this issue happens even on top of the line PCs. It's not lag, it's the game choosing not to render characters either because it's not receiving all the data before receiving more, or because it's trying to keep your framerate up - the issue is that it doesn't do so in an intelligent way that keeps things playable.

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there is option how many characters you can display in menu, problem is that even on maximum setting its around 200. I hope they will add unlimited option since we can handle that on PCs.... or anyone know about some ini where you can change that value ? I dont mind editing files to get it :)

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Originally Posted by Snorgrind

there is option how many characters you can display in menu, problem is that even on maximum setting its around 200. I hope they will add unlimited option since we can handle that on PCs.... or anyone know about some ini where you can change that value ? I dont mind editing files to get it :)

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I was in that group, and I have a fairly bitchin rig. It literally disappeared for everyone there all at once. It's not a PS3 thing. Most of us thought it despawned until it flickered back into existence.

This is a fundamental problem that has been in since launch and it needs fixed. Not just for Odin and behemoth but for EVERY MONSTER IN THE GAME. I don't care if I'm fighting a level 2 cane toad, I should not be losing renders in favor of some jerk's garuda-egi.

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Originally Posted by Seibah

Uh, except it's not? I've cleared the entire first coil and every extreme primal except Ramuh EX on PS3 multiple times. Lag has NEVER been a reason why I couldn't progress in the game.

Until right now with these S hunts. Odin and Behemoth are like, the only other troublesome thing for me on PS3, but both of those bosses have enough HP that they can load before being zerged down

The loading time between areas is also annoying but that could also be fixed largely by giving the hunt enemies more HP.

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Lucky you I and many others haven't had it that easy it's the reason I also had it on PC and the difference is almost criminal to a point you want to sue for intentional bottle necking. Now on PS4 and PC and no such lag issues ever but back when I had it on PS3 there was no such thing as an echo

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Originally Posted by Phantasmid

The visibility issue isn't just a PS3 thing. With enough people, even high end PC players have to get lucky to see the S ranks, anyone telling you otherwise has got to be on a low population server. Over on Exodus we had Croakadile disappear for almost everyone as more people showed up.

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You have no clue what you are talking about. Absolutely no clue. I started playing this game on PS3, and whenever I went to Odin, it took at least 20-30 seconds until it spawned. What is more, I could not see other players, just a huge lag fest and 95% of the people in there would be invisible for me. When I upgraded the game into the PS4 the situation changed DRAMATICALLY. I've never had any issues seeing Odin, Behemoth or any S rank monster. Don't say it's not a PS3 thing, because it freaking is.

Now I'm not saying your Croakadile didn't disappear and even PC players could not see it, but maybe there were 700 players in there and it was too much even for a PC/PS4 player. But for a PS3 user you don't need more than 100 players for a massive lagfest and stuff disappearing. You can handle hundreds of players with the PS4 just fine unless it's something very extreme.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

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phantasmid said it isnt just a ps3 thing. the monster render problem exist on all platforms.

Learn to read too. In the PS3 maybe you can't see a boss with just 100-150 players hitting it. In the PC/PS4 maybe you'd probably need well over 700-1000. How does that even compare?
Look I've been on both platforms, on PS3 and PS4 (can you say the same?), so I can state FACTS, and FACT is something is UNPLAYABLE on the PS3 when a lot of people gather in on point to hit something. Hell I wasn't even able to see like 95% of the people gathered in Mor Dhona when I was playing on my PS3, and when I upgraded to PS4 the entire place was FLOODED with people.
Again, don't even open your mouth if you haven't even tried the PS3 version.

The main idea is that PS3 truly can't handle big fates and most likely nm hunts. I started playing FF on PS3 and it is true that sometimes PS3 player has to wait 30 sec watching others attacking, dying etc before the monster itself spawn in his/her screen. After that there usually is 5-10 more seconds until ground aoe start to show up properly.
After getting PS4 I at least see the monster spawn instantly though in Odin fate he usually teleport on my screen.

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and yes - on PS3 Mor Dhona looks like deserted place with couple people standing there while on PS4 it is always crowded.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

phantasmid said it isnt just a ps3 thing. the monster render problem exist on all platforms.

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Thank you.

It's definitely worse on PS3, as you can hit that limit more easily, but the issues causing it exist for all platforms. All I keep pointing out is there's a fundamental flaw in how the game deals with hitting its render limit, which, when you hit that level, affects all platforms - that being that it doesn't render monsters and party members before everyone else. Even PS3 users probably wouldn't have much trouble participating if this was fixed properly.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

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I'm primarily a PC player, I run a GTX 570, 8 GB of ram, core-i7 processor; Odin and S rank marks still disappear. I also play on PS3, and while it's definitely worse, there are underlying issues that can affect any platform if they're left unchecked, all it takes is primetime on a heavily populated server like Exodus.

Ok, I'm done here. You refuse to understand. You keep comparing PC/PS4 to PS3 as if they belonged to the same group when they clearly don't.

PC/PS4 = If the monster disappears it's becase you literally have 80% of the server in the same pixel.

PS3 = even CT with 24 players lags.

You want to put both platforms in the same sack? Sure go ahead and do it, but they are clearly not. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

more impotent rage

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I'm afraid you're still the one not getting it. What I'm saying is the problem right now ACTUALLY IS having "80% of the server in the same pixel," sticking everyone with the same disadvantage PS3 players can already be stuck with elsewhere.

To clarify, we're not talking about initially getting them to load. We're talking about when you're standing there looking at the mob and suddenly there's too many people and it disappears.

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Originally Posted by Ephany

Buy a ps4. There's no point in complaining about others having an advantage if you're unwilling to spend the money.
That's like saying it's unfair that people who spend more money get to go on better holidays abroad.

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It's not about spending money. It's about avoiding debt, which is what you end up with after being careless and spending hundreds to see a silly monster.

Sure lets all give PC's and PS4's to the PS3 users.

THAT will solve hunts!

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Originally Posted by Dashuto

Sure lets all give PC's and PS4's to the PS3 users.

THAT will solve hunts!

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no , just if you on PS3 or low grade PC , and somehow spotted hunt NM , solution simple - don't wait ppl's start battle yourself , even if croud pop up most likely there will be enough damage dealed to get credit .

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Originally Posted by Vladislav

no , just if you on PS3 or low grade PC , and somehow spotted hunt NM , solution simple - don't wait ppl's start battle yourself , even if croud pop up most likely there will be enough damage dealed to get credit .

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Enjoy your time on the blacklist of hundrets of players.

There's nothing SE can do about it imo. My computer isn't "high end" anymore but when I built it about 2 years ago it was. I still get 60 fps pretty much at all times and have never encountered slow down of any sort in this game... until I fought my first S rank. The literal stream of mounted players riding towards this giant swirling mass of effects and players was comical until the enemy (A giant dragon) just vanished and I could no longer target it. I had to run to where I believed the mob was to get it to pop back into view. Pretty frustrating, but still a good memory. I wish I had screen shotted the convoy of players coming from Camp Dragonhead, it looked like I-35 at 5:30pm.

The real problem is.... Playstation players and Computer players are on the sames servers... But now... They have choose to put us together... They should implant content who works fine in the 2 worlds.... If they can't... Just don't do a game with cross-platform... The hunts are really annoying for ps3 players, sorry if somes of us CAN'T BUY a ps4 for many reason.

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Originally Posted by Senfei

There's nothing SE can do about it imo.

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They could stop designing these kind of fights... I thought they Odin and Behemoth had thaught them that they don't work.

Finally happened for me on PS4. Though it only went invisible while no one was attacking the mark. Once the fight commenced, it popped back into view and we pulled a Sabin and Bum Rushed that mofo.

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I had a major problem with this today. Logged on for my lunch break and saw someone shouting a Hunt. I was on WAR at the time soloing and ran over. I normally go BRD but I was worried it would be dead before the cooldown wore off. I get there and there's no tank and I get asked to tank. "No problem," I think. The thing will be dead in :05 anyway.

Nope. I had no idea they'd buffed the HP (hadn't read the patch notes yet). I Tomahawk and people started spamming skills and I completely lose the mob. Can't see anything. Massive lag. Someone's yelling at me to Overpower, and I'm thinking, "Yeah, sure, where?" All my skills are red as if the mob isn't in range. It finally pops on my screen and a DRG is kiting it. I manage to get hate and keep it, but that was some seriously godawful lag.

From now on I'll just go SMN or BRD. At least now I know I don't have to worry about the cooldown.

I just hope the PS3 won't hold back any content. Amazes me how they wanted an 06' released console to be able to play a brand new MMO.