The Omega Weapon Arms Race -SPOILERS-

Ladies and Gentlemen. Tonight we bear witness to a race between two people seeking to claim the Omega Weapon. Rumored to be designed to defeat Bahamut, the feared lord of Dragons. And could all but grant the wielder complete control over all of Eorzea and beyond. Which one of these ambitious and evil men shall claim the most powerful weapon in all of Eorzea.

In the Red Corner: Weighing in 108 ponze of envy and spite for the gifted Cid nan Garlond. Working with NOAH to study the Crystal Tower and hunt the Omega. Ladies and Gentlemen. it is the Sole Survivor of the Praetorium, Former XIVth Imperial Legion commander. Nero tol Scaeva!

In the Blue Corner. weighing in at equal to a little child. A Member of the infamous Syndicate of Ul'dah. Using the Carteneau Reclaination Act to claim the ruins unbound to Bahamut (for the time being) to compesate for what little power he has. Ladies and Gentlemen. It is the proof that most of the Syndicate are pure, unfettered evil and head of the Mirage Trust. Prince Teledji Alaledji

Will these two find themselves against each other as they compete for world domination? Will the Scions stop these dasterdy bastards? and Will Omega be a pivotal part in the dawn of a new Umbral Era? Let's get ready to Speculateeeeeee!

Wait what does Nero have to do with Omega? Was he even mentioned in the main story line? In ST story he gets sucked up into the darkness, never saw him mention anything about Omega. Maybe I missed something though.

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Originally Posted by Lawson_Grey

Wait what does Nero have to do with Omega? Was he even mentioned in the main story line? In ST story he gets sucked up into the darkness, never saw him mention anything about Omega. Maybe I missed something though.

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He mentioned it in the cut scene he appears in afetr we cleared the first raid.

Also I jsut found out about the cloud of darkness thing.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

He mentioned it in the cut scene he appears in afetr we cleared the first raid.

Also I jsut found out about the cloud of darkness thing.

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No. Nero has nothing to do with Omega Weapon. He was in CT to use the Darkness, and said "Not even Ultima Weapon can compare to this".

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Originally Posted by Alenore

No. Nero has nothing to do with Omega Weapon. He was in CT to use the Darkness, and said "Not even Ultima Weapon can compare to this".

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Oh,I misinterpreted that scene then. sorry. I they any way I can delete this thread then?

Well, we could use this thread to discuss Omega Weapon at least.

Honestly it feels a bit early to introduce it I think. Also, from past FF games Omega Weapon was usually designed to destroy Shinryu, so they apparently took some creative liberties with this.

I think it's a pretty safe bet to wager that an Ascian is controlling Teledji Alaledji, just as it's shown at the end of the main storyline that the Ascians (and not Shiva, probably to some people's disappointment) are controlling the Archbishop of Ishgard. The Ascians are an ancient race, but do they contain the level of knowledge that the Allagans had to be able to reawaken the Omega Weapon? Time will tell.

You are forgetting that Lahabrea gave Ultima to Gaius. Knew everything about it. Told him how to use it. Including the ultimate magic.

Lahabrea gave Ultima WEAPON to Gaius, but the latter had no clue about Ultima. Lahabrea clearly hijacked the weapon at that point to make everything explode.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

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some people are really just that power hungry. (this level of maneuvering isn't suprising...poor Nanamo :c)

there is no doubt they do. both weapons were built by the allagan empire, and the ascians outlast them.

i'm pretty sure they were there when it was built, when it was first activated, and when it was stored below the canteau flats.

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Originally Posted by Alenore

Lahabrea gave Ultima WEAPON to Gaius, but the latter had no clue about Ultima. Lahabrea clearly hijacked the weapon at that point to make everything explode.

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No. Just no. Clearly they were working together. Clearly, the weapon and the magic were something that Lahabrea had intimate knowledge of. The Ascians are in on Omega Weapon, of this I have no doubt. They engineered Dalamud's fall via Nael. It follows that they knew of every contingency. As mentioned elsewhere, I don't believe they see Bahamut as something worth paying attention to anymore now that The Calamity has taken place. I suppose only time will tell if this is so. It just all seems so self-evident to me.

You should think about actually watching the cutscenes and what they say to each other during the fight.
Like "This is not what I wanted" or "What is this, Ascian?!", or maybe "We'll talk about it later".

Gaius wanted to rule and conquer, not destroy everything using Ultima >.>

I'm quoting Lahabrea, when he's talking with Gaius.
Lahabrea : And so it shall, for the Ultima Weapon is host to a power of which your are as yet ignorant.
Gaius : Speak plainly, Ascian.
Lahabrea : The Heart of Sabik. It is the Weapon's core. An enigma whose surface even the vaunted scholar of ancient Allag failed to scratch. The magick within has laid dormant for eons.
Gaius : Of what magick do you speak?
Lahabrea : A spell without parallel... Ultima. I sought the life force of the primals for no other reason but to quicken the core.

Must I continue?

You must. For all I see here is corroboration that Lahabrea had knowledge about all of this and, like any good mustache-twirling villain, was explaining the culmination of his evil plot. I never said Gaius wanted to destroy everything. That much was plain. Gaius was a tool for Lahabrea, much like Nael before him. Gaius was quite a bit more aware of the dangers of dealing in ancient tech as compares Nael, but he did it anyway. The fact that Ultima could fell Primals while leaving the land to be conquered... that's what it was all about to Gaius. Lahabrea deceived Gaius about Ultima's true nature. Lahabrea talks about the Heart of Sabik being an enigma. An enigma to the peoples of this time, no doubt. And to the Allag, as he says himself. Lahabrea knew, however, that putting distilled essence of primal into the Heart of Sabik would enable the use of Ultima the Magic. I am of the belief that the Ascians pre-date Allag by a significant period of time, that they know exactly what this tech is, and that they are playing the long game with this tech and anyone who would attempt to use this tech.

You mistake me for speaking of Gaius. No, I know what he wanted. To rule Eorzea by right of strength. This is why he despised Nael's methods - it was a scorched earth policy. Gaius wanted there to still be a civilization to rule over and said as much in 1.0 when he gave us the 7th legion troop movement info. Nael just wanted to conquer, and I have little doubt that the Ascians nudged him in the direction of being tempered by Bahamut. Gaius had his scruples, but Lahabrea still played him like a puppet. Ultima was no wild card. Lahabrea knew exactly what he was doing by delivering it into Gaius's hands. Lahabrea is seen among the members of the 14th legion before we encounter him with Gaius before the Ultima Weapon fight. I have little doubt that Lahabrea went to Gaius initially, at some point before ARR started, telling him that there was a way to end the primal threat that still remained without resorting to something as drastic as what Nael had done. Two ironies here being that the Ascians probably nudged Nael towards getting tempered by Bahamut and that Lahabrea was partially truthful in saying that Ultima Weapon could be used to subdue primals without collateral damage. But just as bringing down Dalamud was "The Ardor" for Ascians, they had an agenda for Ultima Weapon as well: Enabling the use of Ultima the Magic, which were of a far more destructive nature than the machine's conventional anti-primal use.

What I'm trying to say is that it's pretty foolish to try and insinuate that the Ascians are ignorant to anything that the Allagan Empire had access to. Lahabrea's comments indicate that there is much the Ascians know about things that were already ancient in Allagan times.

There are some things I'd like to see confirmed, but they are things that needn't be addressed in the story for it to have a satisfying conclusion. The two glaring issues I have with the story is why the Asicans are hands-off both Bahamut and The Crystal Tower right now. I believe that the atherial realm and the void are the same thing. If this is true, I am hopeful that Famfrit will be present when we confront The Cloud of Darkness.

Lack of Ascian involvement in other Allagan matters is not evidence of their ignorance of Allagan things.

I said Gaius had no point about Ultima. The dialogue I just quoted shows he had no clue about Ultima. Thus your "Told him how to use it. Including the ultimate magic." was wrong. That's what I was correcting.

Obviously Lahabrea had knowledge about it, I said that Gaius didn't >_>

I don't follow. You allege that Gaius had lost control of Ultima Weapon in phase 2?

I do. Lahabrea took control of the thing and activated Ultima.
How could Gaius do it, if he didn't even know what Ultima or even the Heart of Sabik was?

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Originally Posted by Saikou

I don't follow. You allege that Gaius had lost control of Ultima Weapon in phase 2?

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Originally Posted by Alenore

I do. Lahabrea took control of the thing and activated Ultima.
How could Gaius do it, if he didn't even know what Ultima or even the Heart of Sabik was?

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Gaius's quotes throughout the fight kind of refute the fact he wasn't in control of the Ultima Weapon after Ultima was cast. He certainly wasn't in control AS it was being cast though.

Okay let's make this clear.

- Lahabrea showed Gaius where Ultima Weapon was.
- Gaius and his team repaired the weapon for use.
- Gaius attacks primals and steal their essence.
- We fight Gaius in Ultima Weapon.
- Primal essences are torn from the Weapon.
- Lahabrea takes control against Gaius will and casts Ultima.
- Lahabrea GTFO because he's too full of himself and his little toy.
- Gaius keeps fighting us.
- Lahabrea tries to re-cast Ultima, we interrupt it by destroying the weapon.

What i'm saying since the beginning is Gaius had Ultima Weapon, used it to fight Primals, to try to kill us, but had absolutely NO idea what Ultima or the Heart of Sabik were, or what the Ascians meant to do with it.

Clear now?
For further reference, go run praetorium or watch cutscenes in your inn room. This is not worth talking about, it's clearly shown in a CS.

This misunderstanding amuses me.

I suspect that OMEGA will be the final fight of 2.5 (what I suspect to be the last patch of the 2.X) and may involve the power of all 6 primals.

On the assumption of a 3 month patch cycle and a 1 year expansion cycle, there would be no 2.5 patch. Omega or Ascians or any other manner of crazy shit (read: the primals we couldn't imagine which Yoshida spoke of) is a definite possibility for the finale of version 2, I'd say. If we cliffhang, it will involve Omega and Ishgard, I'm certain of that much. We already cliffhanged on the apparent death of someone significant, so i don't see that happening. The situation with Bahamut is the only thing I can see them tying a bow on. Everything else that is in motion has far reaching consequences. Ascians and primals because they never truly go away, CT because of the Void Gate which has been open for thousands of years.

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Originally Posted by Saikou

On the assumption of a 3 month patch cycle and a 1 year expansion cycle, there would be no 2.5 patch.

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You're way too optimistic if you think an expansion will be coming out a year after the launch of the game.

2.4 will wrap up the story for Binding Coil while 2.5 will wrap up the Crystal Tower story and transition the current main story into its next story arc. We won't be seeing an expansion until Spring of next year at the earliest.

All speculation of course, but it makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Saikou

On the assumption of a 3 month patch cycle and a 1 year expansion cycle, there would be no 2.5 patch. Omega or Ascians or any other manner of crazy shit (read: the primals we couldn't imagine which Yoshida spoke of) is a definite possibility for the finale of version 2, I'd say. If we cliffhang, it will involve Omega and Ishgard, I'm certain of that much. We already cliffhanged on the apparent death of someone significant, so i don't see that happening. The situation with Bahamut is the only thing I can see them tying a bow on. Everything else that is in motion has far reaching consequences. Ascians and primals because they never truly go away, CT because of the Void Gate which has been open for thousands of years.

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They said they'd give infos about the expansion at the fanfest, which will be in october

I'm too lazy to find the editorial source, but my timetable comes from the lips of The Yoshida. Yes, it's optimistic. Patches have already been delayed. They already have broken the primals and their EX versions per patch. Yoshida had said that after they caught up on EX primals with Moggle Mog, there would be 2 new primals per patch going forward. That was the same time we heard "primals you couldn't even imagine," but I believe their goals have proven to be over ambitious. It's not necessarily a bad thing that they have aimed high and fallen a little short. I'd prefer the devs large goals than small ones.

CT required more dev time because it proved to be more frustrating for casual players than intended. The Yoshida had described it as being "far too difficult." It initially had a lot more things like atomos where a great deal of coordination was required. Lets keep it real, coordination is difficult for casuals and even more so for large groups of them. And I count myself in their number, being an old soldier as far as Labrynth is concerned. The content where all 3 parties were supposed to split up never materialized, likely because it was deemed impractical. With this in mind, they may have had to redesign Labyrinth from the ground up. There's no official word on that, but we can infer this from what we do know.

I think Frontlines also required a lot more love than they had thought. I think that they took trends they saw in Wolf's Den into consideration when putting the finishing touches on Frontlines, and this ended up taking much more time than expected. Do I have proof? No, it's only an educated guess.

Light Googling indicates that it was initially hoped that The Gold Saucer would be ready for the current patch. Still in development. You get the idea. The plan is amenable to change.

We have been given no indication that there is a patch 5, however. Just an assumption on the basis that CT is expected to be finished before the expansion.

The fact the expansion will be announced at the fanfest, that willll happen in roughly 3-4 months, and announcement != release.
Also the fact they pretty much stuck to a patch every 3 months, and thus that'd give us at least a 2.5, and maybe a 2.6.
And finally, the odd numbered patch are supposed to help with the content of the previous patch, as a complement, and it's very unlikely they'd release a coil and just say "screw it, new expansion! Didn't clear? Too bad!"

You forget that they've been adding much and more in "mid-way" patches. We already know that there are some significant things coming in patches 2.35 and 2.38. As they've already basically said "fuck you" to casuals through not actually nerfing Twintania but requiring her defeat to enter Second Coil, I totally believe that they'd wait to nerf the Third Coil until the next expansion's release. I believe that 3.0 will drop within the first 3 months of 2015. The notion that we have 2 more patches of as much content as we've had in the last 3 is highly unlikely, unless development of significant expansion content requires them to steal completed aspects of said expansion to hold us over while the finish the thing. The story for the expansion has been finished for quite some time now. It has been in development alongside ARR's release. The Yoshida has said as much. Comments on our place in 2.X's story would indicate that the next patch will be heavy on main scenario.

Well the half way point marker on story is making people assume that each patch has the exact same amount of story development. A patch can have more story in it then others. 2.1 barely had any real story to it past introducing white acsican. 2.5 is extremely likely to be final patch of 2.0 cycle. Since sub patches are getting meater and 2.6 would have issues with coil finish, ilv increase right before player lv increase, introducing yet another new primal etc etc 2.6 is already looking at alot of problems.
SE has stated that some big event is going to close out 2.0 cycle and right now there are two major plot points and one darkhorse that can have a major effect on Erozea. Two likely ones, A: Omega weapon is activated (by who doesn't matter) B: Ascian influence on Ishguard is publicly exposed or C: new Garlean emperor is crown and empire turns it's attention back to Erozea. All there will likely happen in some form or combination but since expansion is hinted to be Ishguard centric i'm leaning towards B. A and C also might feel like to much of a retread of 2.0 if they are given too much focus.

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Originally Posted by Nama

...C: new Garlean emperor is crown and empire turns it's attention back to Erozea... A and C also might feel like to much of a retread of 2.0 if they are given too much focus.

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They could have a Garlean politician/prince/other powerful figure trying to reform the empire and end the war. Bu since each Umbral era seems to involve an ampire's fall (Allag, Ampador) It's possible that by that the the Asceans would have ruined the Garleans somhow

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Originally Posted by Saikou

my timetable comes from the lips of The Yoshida.

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Are you aware that Yoshi did an interview this week? In which, not only did he announce the october letter to delve into the expansion plans, but he also confirmed that 2.4 will close out Coil, an 2.5 will close out CT, and everything else inbetween that and expansion will finish up our current main story. So yes, there will in fact be a 2.5, and most likely more than that.

I don't see why we don't just destroy Omega while it sits collecting dust, rather than wait for a villain to activate it and cause us all a headache. Other than the fact that it would result in no story, of course.

They should at least come up with some solid reason why that can't be done, to make "letting things play out" make sense.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

Are you aware that Yoshi did an interview this week? In which, not only did he announce the october letter to delve into the expansion plans, but he also confirmed that 2.4 will close out Coil, an 2.5 will close out CT, and everything else inbetween that and expansion will finish up our current main story. So yes, there will in fact be a 2.5, and most likely more than that.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-halfway-mark.

Of course I know, I'm the first one to have posted about it here... I'm aware that The Yoshida did an interview 6 days ago whence the info I have given you came. I believe it more likely that the main scenario will kick it into high gear for the last patch rather than Dengeki getting what The Man Himself said wrong. Nowhere in the article is a patch 2.5 mentioned. At all. Except for in speculation in the comments. He implies that there is little chance of significant content beyond what's already been announced unless they have to delay the expansion. It's in there, go read it. I expect either several more trials than just Shiva or perhaps the return of some 8 man story mode dungeon action. Basically, a much more intense and hands-on main scenario experience than we have gotten since the base game was released. Wouldn't that be nice?

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Originally Posted by AlexPayne

I don't see why we don't just destroy Omega while it sits collecting dust, rather than wait for a villain to activate it and cause us all a headache. Other than the fact that it would result in no story, of course.

They should at least come up with some solid reason why that can't be done, to make "letting things play out" make sense.

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Not the first time something like this had happened *cough*BravelyDefault*cough*

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Originally Posted by AlexPayne

I don't see why we don't just destroy Omega while it sits collecting dust, rather than wait for a villain to activate it and cause us all a headache. Other than the fact that it would result in no story, of course.

They should at least come up with some solid reason why that can't be done, to make "letting things play out" make sense.

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Isn't the characters stressing that it's contested territory the excuse? Politics and beurocracy is keeping them from taking action

Don't recall where but the expansion being launched has been mentioned with a timeframe at start of 2015 - so I'm guessing first 3 months if not second 3 months....

Just my opinion but I could think that maybe Omega weapon will be the final boss of 2.0 cycle

Wow, this is certainly a thread to look back at now that Omega's on the way in 4.0. Too bad Teledji Adeledji is no longer with us to see it.

What's extra funny is that Nero might actually win the race, even though he was accidentally entered into it due to a misinterpretation.
Grats to Morningstar though, 2 and a half years later this thread finally becomes relevant, lol.

Everything's coming full circle now: battle for Ala Mhigo, an attempted reenactment of the Calamity, and now Omega is finally awakening to fix(?) things.