Culinarian Desynthesis

It seems culinarians can only desynthesize fishes and not meals, can anyone else confirm this? Maybe there's are exceptions somewhere. I suppose it could be pretty cheating if they could desynthesize meals but I still can't help but feel a little dissapointed. On the other hand, I guess gutting fishes can leave room for some "fun," rare, and unique items. Unfortunately, this might mean that its gonna be a freaking pain to level desynthesis on culinarian.

Culinarian is quick & cheap to level for desynthesis: I got to 66 today spending only a few hundred on trash fish and fishing up the rest. So far the reward has been a load of water shards and the very occasional clear demimateria. I agree that it makes no sense for culinarian only to be able to desynth uncrafted seafood ... perhaps the logic will become clear, but I am confused by this.

So you're only getting water shards too eh?
Maybe each class only gets 1 type of shard, perhaps in significantly larger quantities at 100 skill.
Could be SE's "solution" to shard bots?

I desynthed a crowned pie not moments ago. Got a brass ring and shards.

I haven't tried that many types of fish yet, but it would seem that certain types of fish have a chance to be turned into more than just fine sand.

For example mudcrabs can be turned into mudstones, and blowfish into weak silence potions.

Update: I also got a Grade 2 Clear Prism from a lamp marimo

I'm noticing that the fish that have the possibility of an item also give shards. The lamp marimos seem to be giving me 1-2 shards, but the amount seems to be random.

Fish can give lures too it seems. Oh and a Shadow Catfish can turn into a ... Tree toad?

Fish seems to give something that is "related"

dyes : "Red" colored fish give red pigment, white/grey give grey pigment etc.. (so far seemed consistant)
Material : Silver fish gave me often silver sand
Don't remember which one gave me cinnabar.
Got clear prism too from lamp marino.

But common drop is sand and water shard/crystal depending level of fish. Probably some clusters for rare fish

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

So you're only getting water shards too eh?

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Some varieties of fish drop other shards: I've had wind, lightning, earth and fire, but always with water.

Plaguefish drop bone chips and soiled femurs, but those are still trash desynths. The only thing I've seen as a useful ingredient is pearls from whitelip oysters, so I assume you can get black pearls from blacklip oysters, but it probably isn't worth desynthing them for black pearls due to the low success rate.

So far the best thing about desynthesis for me has been giving me a good reason to get my last three levels of fishing!

Got the skill up to ~76 with a load of 1000+ fish, often only giving 0,01-0,03 skill.
All I got so far were:
different pigments
clear prisms
water shards
wind shards
earth shards
water crystals
wind crystals
weak silencing potions
cinnabar
clear demimateria I+II
fine sand

I didn't try and high level or rare fish, but considering the cost and rarity of them, it doesn't seem like Culinarian desynthesis is very usefull except for making crystals and shards.

Someone know a type of fish which gives lightning crystals?

Someone claimed in another topic to have desynthed a Silver Sovereign into one of the new swimsuits. Possible, but could have been a troll.

im almost 70 and i haven't seen one field-craft demimateria out of culinarian. i guess those drop from rare fish?

at least i have a reason to go out and fish some more!

Gotten water and wind shards/crystals.

Also blacklip oysters have occasionally desynthed to black pearls.

Clear demimateria III off a silver sovereign nq.

Tons and tons of pigments.

Got to 76 last night, I stocked up early and had a retainer full of fishies, got enough fine sand to make my own Australian sized beach, tons of pigments, water shards, crystals , and a few lures, I guess it means I don't need to vendor all the worthless fish, just wish the shards ratio was a lot higher for higher lvl fishes

Got to about 75, myself. Besides crystals, haven't really gotten any results to get excited about for stocking up on all that fish ahead of time. It's still a faster way to collect shards than botanist of miner.

Can anyone recommend a good leveling fish? Desynthesis increase seems to go off the vendor value rather than the item level, but I was surprised to discover that Northern Pike, with a vendor value of 11, seem to give me skillups.

92.38 CUL desynther here.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

Got to about 75, myself. Besides crystals, haven't really gotten any results to get excited about for stocking up on all that fish ahead of time. It's still a faster way to collect shards than botanist of miner.

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Mostly water shards/crystals with a few earth mixed in, and clear demimateria, large quantity of pigments (in not too much variety), TONS of fine sand, and some dark matter.

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Originally Posted by Sordel

Can anyone recommend a good leveling fish? Desynthesis increase seems to go off the vendor value rather than the item level, but I was surprised to discover that Northern Pike, with a vendor value of 11, seem to give me skillups.

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Increases with fish item level

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Gotten water and wind shards/crystals.

Also blacklip oysters have occasionally desynthed to black pearls.

Clear demimateria III off a silver sovereign nq.

Tons and tons of pigments.

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The black pearl is interesting, I haven't seen any random items like that from fish I've desynthed yet. Similarly, I've desynthed some 100 silver sovereign and not seen a single clear demimateria III yet :(

At this point, I regret all the time I spent on desynthesis since CUL desynthesis seems extremely limited. The thing I regret most is that 100% success desynths don't yield shards/crystals. (Guess I was just unlucky, I was able to get a shard from a low level fish today... must've been a bunch of fish which never yield shards) This means leveling desynthesis to be able to obtain shards is not practical unless you're constantly going to rotate crafts to intentionally de-level and re-level desynthesis.

Despite being able to get shards, it still seems somewhat useless since shards could be obtained much faster on MIN or BTN much easier and faster.

Wasting your time leveling cul's desynth :p
@ poor nie lol
You should have thought about the importance of desynthing and which classes you need.
I'm going for
-bsm
-weav
-alch
Because bsm can desynth
Mrd, pld, mnk, and mettalic furniture / gear.
Weaver can do a lot of clothes and a variety of furniture.
And alch due to all the primal whm weps requiring alch to desynth.
I have some fc buds working on ltw and carp desynths.
I just really don't get y ppl would waste their time on cul.
Shards? You can mine/ gather back then, so y stop now?
It's cheaper?
You either spend time to save gil or you spend gil to save time.

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Originally Posted by Nie

92.38 CUL desynther here.

The thing I regret most is that 100% success desynths don't yield shards/crystals.

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It does for me (curently just over 80) - I get lot of shards and crystals from 100% success desynths so I'm not usre what are your statement based on exactly?

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Shards? You can mine/ gather back then, so y stop now?

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Well, in the first place no one knows much about desynthesis so far, so why not kick off with the one that costs nothing (and which actually makes a profit!)? Yes, it takes time, and in the same time that you spend desynthing a stack of fish you could make more money simply by mining shards (for example), but it gives the rest of us something to do while the pioneers invest big money in desynthing crafted stuff.

Also, while nothing I've seen so far in desynthing fish is worth the trouble, I've only just dinged 50 on fishing and I am not equipped to catch big fish. It may be that those will give items that are of equivalent value to the other high-end desynths.

It's too early to rule out culinarian, or rule in the other desynths. Whatever, though, it makes sense to do culinarian and let it be eroded by the other desyntheses if those turn out to be smarter.

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Originally Posted by HEC

It does for me (curently just over 80) - I get lot of shards and crystals from 100% success desynths so I'm not usre what are your statement based on exactly?

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You're right; I'd desynthed a variety of low level fish yesterday and not got one at all, must've just been a really unlucky combination of fish or something. Desynthed a different iLv22 fish today and did get a water shard.

Seems to have been a while since someone has posted here. Here is a list of fish to desynth and yes, with the big fish, you can get IV materia, excluding elemental. I suggest using Tinker's Calm after you've gotten a nice batch of 'greens.'

http://en.ff14angler.com/desynthesized/
Ex: Nepto Dragon
Takes a lot of effort and patience to get to those gathering values.

Happy hunting!

On the topic of CUL desynth, note that the Better Crowned Pies are desynthable and the best way to get from 95 to 110. Since the highest ilvl of a fish (including the Nepto Dragon) is only 80, getting from 105 to 110 on just fish would be a nightmare. At 105 skill, you only have a 75% chance of getting 0.01 skill from a max level fish, and at 109, the chance is ~10% for getting 0.01 skill.

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Originally Posted by Nie

You're right; I'd desynthed a variety of low level fish yesterday and not got one at all, must've just been a really unlucky combination of fish or something. Desynthed a different iLv22 fish today and did get a water shard.

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Fish under L 22 do not yield shards.

Fish L 44 and over yield crystals.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

Fish under L 22 do not yield shards.

Fish L 44 and over yield crystals.

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I believe i90+ fish would yield crystals, as other i90+ items yield crystals for other classes. However, there are no fish above i80 as of patch 2.5 (not even the legendary Nepto Dragon).