[Devs] Please clarify

is the following ways the only way people are able to attain food for their chocobo's??
Or will there be alternative ways to be able to get food for your chocobo such as harvesting, retainers, or purchasable through an npc. I have heard a lot of concerns about this. People with small, mid size, or even large FC houses would never be able to grow food fast enough for everyone

The following items can now be obtained through gardening:

Gysahl Greens / Krakka Root / Thavnairian Onion / Curiel Root / Sylkis Bud / Mimett Gourd / Tantalplant / Pahsana Fruit / Onion Prince / Eggplant Knight / Garlic Jester / King Tomato / Mandragora Queen / Pear Roselle

One of these Seeds is available from the Vendor, so atleast they give you an easy place to start.

it shouldn't be from gardening only ...

I was concerned about this as well. There's no way we can produce enough food unless the yield is massive.

The patch is in 4 days.. why not just wait and find out?

It's fine as is. With personal housing coming soon, there will be more purpose for gardening.

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Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

It's fine as is. With personal housing coming soon, there will be more purpose for gardening.

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The fact is we don't know how much can be produced. Small houses only have one plot further reducing yields. There is cause for concern and you can't possibly say it's fine as it is since you have literally no idea what it's even like.

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

it shouldn't be from gardening only ...

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To be fair, it makes sense fruits/vegetables would be from gardening - It would be a bottleneck to get certain results if it came from other events, especially dungeons - No one wants a repeat of the previous update Hard Modes and how it dropped crafting mats over tangible gear.

At least, I wouldn't like to run stone vigil and get a tomato for my hard work. It'll be fine, yoshida clearly doesn't want everything to be FLOODED the second the patch goes live.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

The fact is we don't know how much can be produced. Small houses only have one plot further reducing yields. There is cause for concern and you can't possibly say it's fine as it is since you have literally no idea what it's even like.

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Meh, I'm still fine with it. It's not like I will want to pump any stats into Chocobo till Chocobo something comes out with Gold Saucer, lol. I'm also certain that and most people will just buy these items via the market board.

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Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

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For me the concern isn't specific to Chocobo Raising but to the design principles behind it. An FC has however many members and, for most FCs, 1 or 2 gardens (seeing as Larges are the minority). An FC of 12 could have a small house, or an FC of 150 could. Regardless of the size, the chances of one or two gardens being able to pump out enough vegetables to sustain members wanting to train their chocobo every hour is slim, and slimmer still considering different people may want different types of food, and yet even slimmer still because of rank restrictions on gardening.

Your point about personal housing is true, but that's not here yet, and we still don't know for sure when it is (other than they want it in before 2.4). They're already limiting this aspect of the game to FCs with houses, and now limiting it further with the restrictions I mentioned above. I'm not a fan of that personally, and I'm in a tightly-knit FC where I'll have access to all of it without too much frustration. What about others?

Ultimately I'm not too fussed about it because it's one aspect of a much larger and more exciting patch, and Personal Housing might just be the thing that addresses my worries with this. It is a trend that's been continuing for a while though that I just don't understand. Access to fluffy casual fun time content like that is what keeps people invested and coming back because they're lightweight goals able to be worked on at any time and at your own pace. You'd think the idea would be to make it as accessible as possible.

Edit: It is also entirely possible as well that we don't know certain things about this patch that would also address these types of concerns. As was mentioned above we'll just have to find out in a few days.

I have concerns here too. If the yield is small, and the FC is medium to large, the greens get handed out based on how the FC operates. 90% of the time this will mean whoever the FC leader, or "gardener" is gets to decide, and they will choose their "inner circle" or best friends first. Without information, this system sounds like its already set up to rip FC's apart and start displacing people who feel like they are being ignored or excluded from their FC choices and actions. In my case I recently joined a large FC. I'm obviously going to be at the bottom of any inclusion lists, but my choco has been rank 10 for months and I don't want to be told I have to wait weeks/months to get my turn at increasing my choco rank. I don't want to have to turn to the overpriced market board either...

Without more information I'm already feeling annoyed at how this could potentially play out.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

To be fair, it makes sense fruits/vegetables would be from gardening - It would be a bottleneck to get certain results if it came from other events, especially dungeons - No one wants a repeat of the previous update Hard Modes and how it dropped crafting mats over tangible gear.

At least, I wouldn't like to run stone vigil and get a tomato for my hard work. It'll be fine, yoshida clearly doesn't want everything to be FLOODED the second the patch goes live.

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you don't need to do dungeons there are hourly nodes for example prickly pineapples, dezmel tomatoes... etc that you can get certain harvest-able goods from as well as the seeds for growing them. We just would hope that SE didn't overlook the idea of trying to grow enough food for we will say 300 people to be able to feed the chocobo daily.... they said u can feed once an hour... so that is a lot of food!! gardening takes several days to grow feed/tend harvest from so if u get 100 pieces of food per garden and lucky enough to have a large house that is 300 pieces of food every few days its not much... i am just saying i hope they didn't bottleneck and limit options

Weren't glazenuts and those other things gardening only as well ?I'm sure this stuff will be the same way. They'll be widespread eventually. Just give it time

glazenuts were not required for every person to use once an hour to feed a pet though.. it took over a month for anyone to even discover the right recipes. and on our server they are still around 200k a nut... something people dont want to be feeding every hour for a chocobo...

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Originally Posted by Lokark

Weren't glazenuts and those other things gardening only as well ?I'm sure this stuff will be the same way. They'll be widespread eventually. Just give it time

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That's the thing, people will use pet food every hour, unless each seed bag gives a substantial amount (unlikely) if they go with the standard 12 you can only harvest 96 with a small house every few days, a small FC of 16 players will only get 6 per player every few days when you can burn those 6 in a single day, now imagine a medium FC with a small house....

And doing this also locks you out from gardening other stuff.

Ya our FC is worried about it too, as we do have a medium house but the garden plots are always in use, and the thought of dividing it between everyone to grow choco food is worrying to say the least.
It would all be ok if gardening plots were per person, so each can grow their own.a bit like each person can use stables to raise their choco.
Of course we do not know full details yet so I'm hoping they planned for this and it won't be some item that costs 300-500k per item on MB

I foresee Gridanian Soil (that's the one that increases crop yield right?) becomeing VERY popular, very soon

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

The following items can now be obtained through gardening

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Bad planning, or the lack of, on SE's part; unless personal housing is right around the corner; which we have no words on it.

8 plant per harvesting cycle (days) for 512 members? It will take 4-6 months before you get your turn. Your chocobo will be dead by then.

got 144 krakka roots in 2.5 days from 8 plants

thats not so good at all!!! we have over 50 chocobo's in our stables and if we grew all 3 large gardens it took us 3 days for harvest... 144 / garden > 432 carrots thats a max of 8 carrots in 3 days you can feed and train it once a day... not including time to harvest soil, feed, tend etc... and thats with only 50 in the stables. If you want to trya nd make the others seeds and foods they will starve

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Bad planning, or the lack of, on SE's part; unless personal housing is right around the corner; which we have no words on it.

8 plant per harvesting cycle (days) for 512 members? It will take 4-6 months before you get your turn. Your chocobo will be dead by then.

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Your FC has 512 active members?

our fc has avg 480+ active members have almost 60 chocobo's in the stables in first couple days already some arent using stables because lvling them outside is way faster but for those who dont have time to lvl them outside this is a good method... if you could produce food fast enough